Watching content before actually doing it?

[Zfz]

Are we talking about statics or pugs?
My opinion is different depending on which.

For statics, I would actually want people who are capable of going into fights without looking up guides. Nothing worse than having new content out and half your static group too scared to try the hard modes and stuff, wanting to wait until guides and videos are out so they don't "waste time". My Ulduar raid basically lost steam after we downed Yogg normal and people just wanted to farm normal mode, unwilling to even try the hard modes (even though we were perfectly capable of initiating some of the hard modes).

For pugs, they're just that. I don't think we have any right to demand others to do preparation. It's a game. Not work. I didn't pay for their subscription.

Some of us forget that we paid our subscription to Square Enix, not to those people in the pug. Saying they're "wasting our time" is just trying to vent out on people.

Which really is the answer to this debate.

Did we form this party outselves? Whether it's a pug or a static.

• Yes. Then we are absolutely free to demand whatever of the members that choose to join us.
• No. Then we have no right to demand the mass population of players to do anything.

[Doo]

I for one find it more enjoyable when everyone does well or give a good effort. What's so fun about being a dead weight and causing your group to wipe over and over again? I know some players are quick learners but from experience, most fail miserably causing their group to wipe.

[gadzi_h]

If I have an hour to do CT + wait in queue, and get stuck in a group with someone who refuses to understand mechanics beforehand and keeps causing wipes, it is perfectly within my right to be upset that 1 selfish individual is making my goal for the hour undoable.

Now we do see eye to eye on that one. My first CT run I didn't watch a video and we didn't wipe once. Every other time I have been in using DF it has been a total <snip> show.

My main issue with the videos is there is always some derp saying "hey this is me ... look how cool I am" for 2 min. Then you get the meat and potatoes. I honestly would rather read bullet points and look at positional diagrams similar to a football playbook.

I am in a unique position where I have about 4 hours a day to play so to be honest I don't mind taking my time learning and teaching. But there is something more exciting about the experience than the spoiler. When they added the new content in 2.1, for instance Haukke Manor, the bosses AoE had an exciting oh <snip> factor. Being spoon fed everything is just boring for me.

That being said, I wish the mechanics were more random self adapting AI, where real skill in playing would come into play. Rather than this easy learn mechanics = win.

[Gramul]

Who said they're not?

No one. I just think it's more convenient for everyone to use what's already there.

[Jyskal]

I like having new people in DF groups. Tell them the wrong thing and watch them die. Then sit and laugh at their dead bodies until you too die to the boss

No seriously, I really do like having new people in. Feels fresh.

Quote PvP : Fresh Meat

[Quenn]

Watching a video to show you how to do something would kill the game for me.
It's getting the answer handed to you instead of the fun of figuring it out for yourself.
I thought that was what people liked about games.
Must be just me then

[ScummyGuy]

If you don't want to watch videos then use the Duty Finder to learn the fights until you feel comfortable to join a Party Finder group, or create a learning party in the PF. You don't have to watch the videos.

[Quenn]

It isn't fun being the dead weight in a dungeon. I done Cutter's Cry for the first time last night and got to the final boss, the Chimera. Now before I went in one of the other players explained to me the violet/blue eyes deal and I understood it.
The problem was, I was too busy watching the other players health bar that I didn't see when the eyes were changing. so we died three times.
I told them that if they wanted to kick me, they were welcome too as I would understand but they refused to kick me and were nice about it. We finally got it done.
For some reason all the players gave me a commendation.
Now I think that it only took the woman two lines of text to explain to me what to do in the fight. Watching the video wasn't necessary and I think that watching the video isn't exactly playing the game to its fullest but everyone can play the game whatever way they want.

[Rupart]

There are different contexts to which this would apply. Hop in Duty Finder for Ifrit Extreme? You better know the fight. Join up for Chimera? Nobody cares, you can even die and go afk. If you create a Party Finder for a specific event, make sure everyone knows you're unprepared. It will save people time.

The original poster seems like one of those regular weak-links who want to be carried through any situation. No, you don't have to watch videos. But, no, you won't be allowed in most experienced groups.

[ulti_19]

The original poster seems like one of those regular weak-links who want to be carried through any situation. No, you don't have to watch videos. But, no, you won't be allowed in most experienced groups.

Actually you being baby fed the answers in advance is being carried through my friend. I agree there are different contexts like people asking for experienced players, that's totally fine. My post is about doing things yourself. A couple of runs through any dungeon or boss and most will become experienced enough to do it all by memory because this games dodging is very easy, avoid the giant circles and colors.

This thread wasn't meant for arguing who is a bad player or who are people just wanting to be carried.[I don't understand that anyways, why play a game for others to beat it for you, if that's the case why are you playing in the first place? Don't even buy the game, watch it played on youtube]. Just an observation that many require knowledge before actually doing something meant to be done from scratch anyways. Imagine if the game is new and no guides exist. You have so much more fun doing it with your team, in my experience anyways and it doesn't mean you'll wipe, chances are many play these games since forever and adapt to the situations thrown by bosses and mobs anyways. And later on you ran everything so you can do it with much ease anyways. Why make the first attempt a no brainer by seeing all the content.

When this game was brand new i imagine people had fun even not knowing how to fight something perfectly until they got it just right. This is not being carried.