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    Alrighty. I'll take the hit. With my FC consisting of 3 actual players, and getting through garuda isn't exactly like clockwork magic. Doesn't mean I haven't beaten all but t5 of coil or haven't seen garuda at 1%(3 times now)in a pug. 42/57 seconds(spell speed takes affect for WD) is roughly 71%. With planning you can keep it up for all phases in which aoe damage is inbound. Am I the end all be all healer? No. But on 99% of parses I outparse SCH's by about 100 +/- HPS(not counting some crap like T2 enrage), but Eos always heals about 300 hps, giving SCH's an easy 200 HPS lead. As long as SCH don't over write eachother, they will always have the potential to produce more hps, have more emergencies available, better single target healing(which is where 90% of healing goes anyways) and more utility. The argument still stands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Splorch View Post
    Alrighty. I'll take the hit. With my FC consisting of 3 actual players, and getting through garuda isn't exactly like clockwork magic. Doesn't mean I haven't beaten all but t5 of coil or haven't seen garuda at 1%(3 times now)in a pug. 42/57 seconds(spell speed takes affect for WD) is roughly 71%. With planning you can keep it up for all phases in which aoe damage is inbound. Am I the end all be all healer? No. But on 99% of parses I outparse SCH's by about 100 +/- HPS(not counting some crap like T2 enrage), but Eos always heals about 300 hps, giving SCH's an easy 200 HPS lead. As long as SCH don't over write eachother, they will always have the potential to produce more hps, have more emergencies available, better single target healing(which is where 90% of healing goes anyways) and more utility. The argument still stands.
    ok, pls explain in your opinion how SCH have more HPS than WHM?
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    Eos, plain and simple. A pet that averages 300 hps when used properly by well geared healer. Most fights end with the healers at 600-800 hps. Its the equivalent an extra half healer, complete with utility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Splorch View Post
    Eos, plain and simple. A pet that averages 300 hps when used properly by well geared healer. Most fights end with the healers at 600-800 hps. Its the equivalent an extra half healer, complete with utility.
    Eos heals 300 HPS? So every cast (3 seconds) eos heals 900? I don't think this is true/
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    Copy pasted from another of my posts

    Medica II vs Whispering(roused) *(iLvL 83 WHM/SCH)
    DS + Medica II ticks for AVG 161 10x over 30 seconds = 1610 + 624 initial (2234 total) ~74hps / Costs 452 mana with a ~2.85 GCD/cast time can cause aggro issues(WHM death) depending on fight/tank
    Rouse + whispering dawn does AVG 338 8x over 24 seconds = 2710 total ~112hps / Costs 0 mana, no GCD, fairy 1.9 second cast/may cause Eos a death depending on fight
    Rouse + Fey Illumination + whispering dawn AVG 405 8x over 24 seconds = 3244 total ~135hps / Costs 0 mana, no GCD, Fairy has slight delay + 1.9 second cast//may cause Eos a death depending on fight

    not using the fey illum example above, *Editted, i gave it 24/57 instead of 21 originally, math was adjusted accordingly.(shouldn't be healing and arguing at the same time, i suck)
    112hps per player. So x8 gives you 896 HPS for 21/57 seconds. that alone is worth ~330 HPS (every minute). That isn't even including embrace.
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    Last edited by Splorch; 01-19-2014 at 12:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Splorch View Post
    Copy pasted from another of my posts

    Medica II vs Whispering(roused) *(iLvL 83 WHM/SCH)
    DS + Medica II ticks for AVG 161 10x over 30 seconds = 1610 + 624 initial (2234 total) ~74hps / Costs 452 mana with a ~2.85 GCD/cast time can cause aggro issues(WHM death) depending on fight/tank
    Rouse + whispering dawn does AVG 338 8x over 24 seconds = 2710 total ~112hps / Costs 0 mana, no GCD, fairy 1.9 second cast/may cause Eos a death depending on fight
    Rouse + Fey Illumination + whispering dawn AVG 405 8x over 24 seconds = 3244 total ~135hps / Costs 0 mana, no GCD, Fairy has slight delay + 1.9 second cast//may cause Eos a death depending on fight

    not using the fey illum example above,
    112hps per player. So x8 gives you 896 HPS for 24/51 seconds. that alone is worth 421 HPS. That isn't even including embrace.
    its 21 seconds for Whispering Dawn, which is a 35% uptime. So take your 135hps * 35% uptime = 47hps
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squa View Post
    its 21 seconds for Whispering Dawn, which is a 35% uptime. So take your 135hps * 35% uptime = 47hps
    x8 players
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    Quote Originally Posted by Splorch View Post
    x8 players
    Medica II, CURE III and Medica can also hit all 8 players, so its not necessary to include that figure in calculations when making comparisons.
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