A thought on Paladin, sheil swipe

[PiedPiper]

For one, this would be a huge dps increase to the class, completely unbalancing it relative to warrior.

Secondly.. it would defeat the purpose of the skill.

Shield Swipe is a tp regeneration tool. Any gcd during which you use shield swipe you regenerate more TP than you spent on the skill. This is like, invigorate over time. Use of this skill is how you maintain your tp in long fights. It is also a dps increase, not that our dps matters much. Using swipe when its available will help keep your tp up enough to maintain fracture if you are so inclined. Obviously only do these things if you have enough hate, but you should, since warrior's take every other cycle off in terms of generating hate so they can debuff damage done.

[misterdapi]

...Using swipe when its available will help keep your tp up enough to maintain fracture if you are so inclined

There is no reason to maintain fracture because fracture is garbage. Accepted theroycraft I've read does not include that. Has something changed?

[juniglee]

There is no reason to maintain fracture because fracture is garbage. Accepted theroycraft I've read does not include that. Has something changed?

Regardless of maintaining Fracture or no though, it's an effective tool for maintaining TP. Especially when all you are doing is spamming your Halone combo, you will eventually run out of TP. Shield Swipe is there to help with TP regen, as it only costs 40 TP, does some damage, and does not break combos (like Flash is equally useful as a tool for TP regeneration without wasting actions).

[PiedPiper]

There is no reason to maintain fracture because fracture is garbage. Accepted theroycraft I've read does not include that. Has something changed?

As I said, if you are so inclined. Fracture is a dps increase, but it doesn't do anything for your threat. Like I said, its just one other thing swipe opens to you.

Fracture or not, as Juniglee mentions, you will run out if you just spam roh long enough and swipe counters that. Personally I only apply it when I'm off tanking during a cycle fight like turn 2 or titan ex. Or super bored on garu or something.


Swipe is a nice skill, it does some damage and restores tp. You can use it up to twice in a row without loosing combo.

[saber_alter]

As I said, if you are so inclined. Fracture is a dps increase, but it doesn't do anything for your threat. Like I said, its just one other thing swipe opens to you.

Fracture or not, as Juniglee mentions, you will run out if you just spam roh long enough and swipe counters that. Personally I only apply it when I'm off tanking during a cycle fight like turn 2 or titan ex. Or super bored on garu or something.


Swipe is a nice skill, it does some damage and restores tp. You can use it up to twice in a row without loosing combo.

flash is a better tp restoring tool, along with stoneskin.

no tp vs 40 tp.

fracture is useless. i tried using it for a while and found that i had better DPS by just using my halone combo.

[Menae]

flash is a better tp restoring tool, along with stoneskin.

no tp vs 40 tp.

fracture is useless. i tried using it for a while and found that i had better DPS by just using my halone combo.

Full duration Fracture is 220 potency per GCD; Halone combo averages out to 186.66 per GCD. Fracture is better dps, but you can't clip it, can't use it on something that'll die or go immune in the next 15 seconds, and you can't interrupt a combo to use it. Fast Blade is a poor skill for dps, enmity, and tp efficiency; the only reason to use it is to get to the good stuff.

[YuriRamona]

Full duration Fracture is 220 potency per GCD; Halone combo averages out to 186.66 per GCD. Fracture is better dps, but you can't clip it, can't use it on something that'll die or go immune in the next 15 seconds, and you can't interrupt a combo to use it. Fast Blade is a poor skill for dps, enmity, and tp efficiency; the only reason to use it is to get to the good stuff.

If you're concerned about the debuff being cut short you probably aren't fighting anything in which tank damage matters anyway. If something is dying in less than 15 seconds you probably don't have time to cast Fracture anyway; you're probably spamming Flash or Halone.

[Kitru]

Full duration Fracture is 220 potency per GCD; Halone combo averages out to 186.66 per GCD.

Halone is 150 + 200 + 260 = 203.33 potency/GCD. Fracture is a *highly* marginal increase in total DPS since you only get 220 potency every 9 GCDs (since it breaks combos and lasts 18 seconds), which means that using it increases potency/GCD from 203.33 to 205, which is a whole .8% increase in total damage (less actually, because you're getting 83.33/GCD from auto-attack, 25 from CoS, and ~25 from Spirits Within, which brings it down to .5%).

Fracture is *incredibly* mediocre.

[Menae]

Halone is 150 + 200 + 260 = 203.33 potency/GCD. Fracture is a *highly* marginal increase in total DPS since you only get 220 potency every 9 GCDs (since it breaks combos and lasts 18 seconds), which means that using it increases potency/GCD from 203.33 to 205, which is a whole .8% increase in total damage (less actually, because you're getting 83.33/GCD from auto-attack, 25 from CoS, and ~25 from Spirits Within, which brings it down to .5%).

Fracture is *incredibly* mediocre.

Oh, hey, thought Fast blade was 100 instead of 150 for some reason.

No argument that it's a pretty poor cross class. That said, it's a dps increase, which is the opposite of what saber said. I still wouldn't TAKE it, because it's also a massive enmity loss and I'd much rather not maintain dots on my tank, thank you very much. But it's still a dps increase!