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    Raikki, I still maintain that using a THM tank (or tank with emulate) is the easiest way to get the kill and the drop. Do we do it that way every time? Nope.

    We generally go easy on Hautpox until we break the arm, focusing not on damage to him directly, but BR's to his arm until it breaks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molly_Millions View Post
    Raikki, I still maintain that using a THM tank (or tank with emulate) is the easiest way to get the kill and the drop. Do we do it that way every time? Nope.

    We generally go easy on Hautpox until we break the arm, focusing not on damage to him directly, but BR's to his arm until it breaks.
    Yes, it's not about how fast we can kill a NM but how fast we can incap the mob and since Aba is a social linkshell, not everyone has the best gear/stats for the job they're on for the kill so it can take more time compared to if we all had best gear/stats for kill.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Molly_Millions View Post
    Raikki, I still maintain that using a THM tank (or tank with emulate) is the easiest way to get the kill and the drop. Do we do it that way every time? Nope.

    We generally go easy on Hautpox until we break the arm, focusing not on damage to him directly, but BR's to his arm until it breaks.
    I'm a little unclear on some parts. Are you doing it with pure ARCs or do you ask all your melee range players to use emulate? If not and you have people in melee range without emulate they'd need to be cured for just as much as a non-emulate tank anyway since all the real damage is from AoE bomb toss/hail mary and the tank can certainly cover any difference with a Second Wind II or self-cure or something.

    When I lowmanned it tanking on GLA without emulate I had 1 THM healing me and he still had plenty of time to nuke, put up DoTs, etc. so I don't think there can be much of a difference in ease/speed. Honestly, you can do it whichever way you want of course. I personally think with the difficulty being so low and the gear being pretty bad it's more effective to use the time to get better at doing things without the crutch. It's a good way to cement stronger team skills especially when you have a lot of new players that may need the experience.

    I'll try to hold back on further comments about NM wipes but I would simply say that it at least indicates a need for some improvement in certain areas, whether it's teamwork or basic strategies or what have you. I think improvement will come slower if people view Emulate as being the "normal" way to do things and that doing it without is an artificial challenge. It is very doable to breeze through these NMs without using it and get plenty of respawns. If you set the bar high I think people will remain interested longer and have more fun with new content. Good luck however you decide to proceed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molly_Millions View Post
    Raikki, I still maintain that using a THM tank (or tank with emulate) is the easiest way to get the kill and the drop. Do we do it that way every time? Nope.

    We generally go easy on Hautpox until we break the arm, focusing not on damage to him directly, but BR's to his arm until it breaks.
    Ok this right here is BS, a THM shouldnt be tanking or a archer or any other class other then a MRD a GLD. I cant wait to see skillful play and see what the hell they talkin about. THM will get gimp Im sure of it. Im just about ready to quit the game if there no content or "NEW" stuff to play with by time patch comes out. SWTOR is around the corner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikki View Post
    I'm a little unclear on some parts. Are you doing it with pure ARCs or do you ask all your melee range players to use emulate? If not and you have people in melee range without emulate they'd need to be cured for just as much as a non-emulate tank anyway since all the real damage is from AoE bomb toss/hail mary and the tank can certainly cover any difference with a Second Wind II or self-cure or something.

    When I lowmanned it tanking on GLA without emulate I had 1 THM healing me and he still had plenty of time to nuke, put up DoTs, etc. so I don't think there can be much of a difference in ease/speed. Honestly, you can do it whichever way you want of course. I personally think with the difficulty being so low and the gear being pretty bad it's more effective to use the time to get better at doing things without the crutch. It's a good way to cement stronger team skills especially when you have a lot of new players that may need the experience.

    I'll try to hold back on further comments about NM wipes but I would simply say that it at least indicates a need for some improvement in certain areas, whether it's teamwork or basic strategies or what have you. I think improvement will come slower if people view Emulate as being the "normal" way to do things and that doing it without is an artificial challenge. It is very doable to breeze through these NMs without using it and get plenty of respawns. If you set the bar high I think people will remain interested longer and have more fun with new content. Good luck however you decide to proceed.
    No, just no. You have it all wrong actually. Generally speaking the only person using emulate is whoever is tanking Hautpox if we have a THM tanking, which we don't always do. If we don't have a THM tanking, we have two different strategies we use; one is to pull the adds away from Hautpox and finish them quickly, the other is to ignore the adds and just focus on breaking the arm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ennvy View Post
    Ok this right here is BS, a THM shouldnt be tanking or a archer or any other class other then a MRD a GLD. I cant wait to see skillful play and see what the hell they talkin about.
    Why not? If a strategy works, I say use it. Emulate might get gimped, who cares. If it does, we can't use that strategy any more.

    I never read any rule anywhere that said only a MRD or GLA can tank. If it works, use it.
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    Goblin is a joke. Buffalo is a joke.

    We solo tank both. With a gla w/out emulate. Both fights are a joke.

    We kill them with enough time for 2ish pop's a game day due to the buffalo's laziness in spawning late in the afternoon.

    Generally ranged should not be tanking unless the MT sucks.

    So i agree with Raikki....

    Quote Originally Posted by Raikki View Post
    I'll try to hold back on further comments about NM wipes but I would simply say that it at least indicates a need for some improvement in certain areas, whether it's teamwork or basic strategies or what have you. I think improvement will come slower if people view Emulate as being the "normal" way to do things and that doing it without is an artificial challenge. It is very doable to breeze through these NMs without using it and get plenty of respawns. If you set the bar high I think people will remain interested longer and have more fun with new content. Good luck however you decide to proceed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molly_Millions View Post
    Why not? If a strategy works, I say use it. Emulate might get gimped, who cares. If it does, we can't use that strategy any more.

    I never read any rule anywhere that said only a MRD or GLA can tank. If it works, use it.
    Its just stupid, and it's like. "Send in the medic first, he can patch himself up" Using THM and emulate is a cheesy way out. No skill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shyd View Post
    Goblin is a joke. Buffalo is a joke.

    We solo tank both. With a gld w/out emulate. Both fights are a joke.

    We kill them with enough time for 2ish pop's a game day due to the buffalo's laziness in spawning late in the afternoon.

    Generally ranged should not be tanking unless the MT sucks.

    So i agree with Raikki....
    Everything in the game is a joke now at this point. But I will still play, cause its free XD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shyd View Post
    Buffalo is a joke.

    We solo tank both. With a gld w/out emulate.
    Solo the buffalo with just a GLA w/ no emulate? can we set up a time so that I can see that? I don't believe it's possible.
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