Best in Slot for SMN after 2.1?

[horaiyo]

Interesting. When do we start hitting dr on crit?

[T0rin]

Interesting. When do we start hitting dr on crit?

Always. The higher it is, the less it is worth. Anything above the base level of 340 crit has DR. That isn't to say it isn't worth stacking, because it is, but every point you add makes every point worth less.

But, the more int and the more det you have, the more crt is worth.

Anyways, the closer you get to i90, the better buttons are compared to eggs. But, at significantly lower ilevels, eggs can be worth it. (i70)

[Singularity]

Does anyone have a more precise estimate on Garuda's accuracy cap? Digging around in threads, I've seen 100% hit rates confirmed as low as 450 and less than 100% as high as 446. Does anyone have any info on the range in-between?

[horaiyo]

I regularly saw 97.5% thrown around with the 443 setup that was/is the standard.

[Seobit]

448 is the standard. I don't know if it's 100% accuracy but going over that point would come at a big cost in other stats.

[T0rin]

448 is the standard. I don't know if it's 100% accuracy but going over that point would come at a big cost in other stats.

It is close enough that any further sacrifice of secondary stats for accuracy would be a DPS loss, basically.

Also, according to the work being done here, DET is more important than we've been giving it credit for. I've tested this formula against in-game numbers and found it to be accurate. I've also messed around with stat weight calculations, and came up with some unexpected results.

The weight of WD and CRT scale up with INT and DET.

The weight of CRT scales down as CRT goes up.

Because of how everything is itemized though, this only changes 1 item in our set.. the head item goes from Summoner's Horn (noooooooooo) to Allagan Circlet of Casting.

Edit: Definitely more than 1 item is changing. :P Went back to experiment more with other BiS potential sets, I had overlooked some...

Old BiS:
Allagan Grimoire of Casting
Summoner's Horn
Summoner's Doublet
Summoner's Ringbands
Allagan Rope Belt of Casting
Allagan Breeches of Casting
Allagan Boots of Casting
Hero's Necklace of Casting
Tremor Earring of Casting
Hero's Bracelet of Casting
Hero's Ring of Casting
Vortex Ring of Casting

448 ACC, 709.2975733 Weighted INT

Weights: WD = 5.990694731, INT = 1, DET = 0.282081229, CRT = 0.178082387, SS = 0.084943755
Food Benefits: Eggs = 24 CRT = 4.273977288 Weighted INT
Food Benefits: Buttons = 13.1 DET + 10 CRT (DET = 3.6952640999, CRT = 1.78082387) = 5.4760879699 Weighted INT


New BiS #1:
Allagan Grimoire of Casting
Allagan Circlet of Casting
Summoner's Doublet
Allagan Gloves of Casting
Allagan Rope Belt of Casting
Summoner's Trousers
Allagan Boots of Casting
Hero's Necklace of Casting
Tremor Earring of Casting
Hero's Bracelet of Casting
Allagan Ring of Casting
Vortex Ring of Casting

448 ACC, 720.1609947 Weighted INT

Weights: WD = 6.120637211, INT = 1, DET = 0.282081229, CRT = 0.186039777, SS = 0.084943755
Food Benefits: Eggs = 19.45 CRT = 3.61847366265 Weighted INT
Food Benefits: Buttons = 15.25 DET + 7.78 CRT = 5.74912820731 Weighted INT (DET = 4.30173874225, CRT = 1.4473894650)


New BiS #2:
Allagan Grimoire of Casting
Allagan Circlet of Casting
Summoner's Doublet
Allagan Gloves of Casting
Hero's Belt of Casting
Summoner's Trousers
Allagan Boots of Casting
Hero's Necklace of Casting
Tremor Earring of Casting
Hero's Bracelet of Casting
Hero's Ring of Casting
Vortex Ring of Casting

448 ACC, 720.1609947 Weighted INT

Weights: WD = 6.120637211, INT = 1, DET = 0.282081229, CRT = 0.186039777, SS = 0.084943755
Food Benefits: Eggs = 19.45 CRT = 3.61847366265 Weighted INT
Food Benefits: Buttons = 15.25 DET + 7.78 CRT = 5.74912820731 Weighted INT (DET = 4.30173874225, CRT = 1.4473894650)


The food benefits are without re-calculating the weights, as it wouldn't change dramatically with the fairly minor benefit of food. It would change, just not enough to make eggs worth using at i91.

So we have 2 new BiS sets that are identical except for the belt and a ring slot. Due to Hero's Ring being the same as Allagan Belt and Allagan Ring being the same as Hero's Belt, those 2 sets are interchangeable.

[Ragnirok]

Also, according to the work being done here, DET is more important than we've been giving it credit for. I've tested this formula against in-game numbers and found it to be accurate. I've also messed around with stat weight calculations, and came up with some unexpected results.

The weight of WD and CRT scale up with INT and DET.

The weight of CRT scales down as CRT goes up.

Because of how everything is itemized though, this only changes 1 item in our set.. the head item goes from Summoner's Horn (noooooooooo) to Allagan Circlet of Casting.

The dps difference is 1 tops. I'll stick with the horn. Also I seem to remember having this discussion with you a couple months ago and you saying that determination wasn't a good stat on us. Its just funny how you've come to this stance and we all know how much I like to say I told you so.

[Shamirah]

Because of how everything is itemized though, this only changes 1 item in our set.. the head item goes from Summoner's Horn (noooooooooo) to Allagan Circlet of Casting.

I'm gonna delete my SMN. My horn

[PriyaJugulataris]

The dps difference is 1 tops. I'll stick with the horn. Also I seem to remember having this discussion with you a couple months ago and you saying that determination wasn't a good stat on us. Its just funny how you've come to this stance and we all know how much I like to say I told you so.

Was this necessary? At all? I mean the first sentence is alright, but everything else makes you kind of seem like a jackass.

[T0rin]

The dps difference is 1 tops. I'll stick with the horn. Also I seem to remember having this discussion with you a couple months ago and you saying that determination wasn't a good stat on us. Its just funny how you've come to this stance and we all know how much I like to say I told you so.

It is actually very minor. In the new BiS sets, Allagan Circlet of Casting is only 0.324383103 weighted INT better than Summoner's Horn. But, better is better. This means I'm missing a lot more pieces from BiS than I had realized, which is a bummer. It also means I have about 11 more INT worth of DPS I will one day be doing over what I had thought was the best possible DPS, which is good.

Indeed. Months ago I was wrong. From everything I had read and seen, the proof wasn't there. Now that more work has been done on calculating the damage formulas, proof is closer, and DET is showing to be better. I have no qualms admitting I was wrong and people who said DET was better were right.

I'm gonna delete my SMN. My horn

You can opt to not be BiS by 1/3 of a point of INT, and still use the horn. You don't have to be perfect! :P

Was this necessary? At all? I mean the first sentence is alright, but everything else makes you kind of seem like a jackass.

It's cool, he's right. He, among others, said DET was better, months ago, and I, along with many others, argued otherwise. The people who said CRT was better were wrong, and we have some verifiable proof now. We were all basing it on false information, and the closer we get to the truth, the more we know. I'm simply glad to know what is really the best with formulas that are proving out with in-game data, so I can start gearing towards the "real best".