Make FFXIV more like FFXI and less like WoW

[Duelle]

More in the sense that they where dangerous to explore, but there where hidden segments, caves, dungeons, and groves that encouraged you to do so. And most of the time you could do so freely, without having to wait for a full party to join in a timed instance. XIV's environments are beautiful, but there's really not much to them.

There are vistas and caves in Eorzea. And there are things not marked on your map. There is also efficiency in how the areas are designed, which isn't a bad thing. A lot of the areas are connected to quests or events, and that's not a bad thing either; instead it makes the locales on the map significant.

I personally could not give a single rats ass about the rewards from quests. I liked XI's quests because they where engaging and varied. I enjoyed playing them. They very rarely felt like a chore.

And yet by design those were the same as the abhorred fetch/kill mob/speak to someone quests. Unless you live in some paralell universe where repeatedly bringing stones to Chamama, farming a needle in Quicksand Caves for the Star Onion Brigade, killing Two-Horn the Savage and trading food to Rycharde is somehow different from fighting off mercs hired to put up eviction notices, finding U'kahzuna after she was captured by the A'maal ja, helping a botanist study a dead gobbue, and yes, even getting tea leaves for Tataru. And I managed to derive more sense of purpose from the latter than the former.

The journey actually was more important than the destination.

If the journey was as important as you claim it was, the playerbase would not have been in as big a rush to level cap as they were. There's a reason I've mentioned before that even though FFXI was not designed to be a rat race, the players turned it into one anyways. As that is the nature of MMOs, I'd rather the design keep the rat race in mind instead of creating as many inconveniences as it can to try to deter something that is unevitable and unstopable.

FFXI had you jumping through zones and after they added all the expansions there was a large verity of camping spots which made it interesting

Right. It's not like the progression for leveling was limited to Dunes => Qufim => Kazam => Altepa => Crawler's Next => Altepa Again => Boyahda Tree => etc. Oh wait, it was!

The moment you mentioned anything that was off the tracks people would either leave, argue to not go there or mysteriously DC. And god save you if you had a princess bard or red mage in your group.

expansions

You mean Bibiki Bay (one zone out of an entire expansion), which was part of the leveling on rails experience (replacing, to my recollection, Labyrinth of Onzozo) until TAU zones came out and made EVERYTHING from the 50-ish range to 75 obsolete between Sanction's exp bonus and the emergence of TP burns.

[Peptaru]

Right. It's not like the progression for leveling was limited to Dunes => Qufim => Kazam => Altepa => Crawler's Next => Altepa Again => Boyahda Tree => etc. Oh wait, it was!

You forgot the part where they said that the good players new all the different xp spots and the party set up required for them. You listed all the scrub camps so I'm going on a limb to guess what kind of XI player you would have been.... Only one of the spots you listed was a good one, a shiny nickel if you can guess which one.

[Duelle]

You forgot the part where they said that the good players new all the different xp spots and the party set up required for them. You listed all the scrub camps so I'm going on a limb to guess what kind of XI player you would have been...

I'll save you the effort. I was a melee Red Mage, I didn't like Ninja or Utsusemi so I never leveled it, I hated gear swaps because a character blinking in and out of existence looked stupid, and liked subbing WAR on my DRK. Insult away.

The consensus and jokes about killing crabs for 40 levels exists for a reason. You can try to pretend otherwise, but this is what leveling was in FFXI. A majority of the zones went to waste because parties wanted to fight stuff that was easy to kill (the fact the devs purposely designed some mobs to be a pain to fight didn't help). It's also why TP burning became a thing as quickly as it did after TAU came out. It was just easier to spam weapon skills with no skillchain and f*ck black mages or summoners because max exp/hour. This wasn't an isolated thing that 2% of the playerbase did. It was widespread, and for a reason.

[Peptaru]

Stuff.

You are among the most negative posters on this forum, especially when stuff is different from how you remember it. . . I'm not going to insult you for playing how you wanted to play, but I will point out that your unwillingness to play any way but the one you wanted, no matter what it did to a group dynamic, was petty. Like I said, you listed all the scrub camps, all those melee only, no SC, max xp per hour players were just that - scrubs. They are the people loving XIV now.

And blms got their comeuppance because they were the ones with chain 400 in sea that melee were not allowed to attend, and MB parties in the tree or in the tunnel that melee weren't allowed to attend... the best melee could do at the time was grind weapons and pretend it was acceptable.

Everyone got screwed over the course of the game at one point or another, except Samurai... SE has a hard on for that job.

[Magis]

There are vistas and caves in Eorzea. And there are things not marked on your map

Vistas (he didn't mention that), yeah sure... but what caves? Do you mean the small corridors that connects two parts of the same zone together? Like in Eastern Thanalan or in Coerthas?

I think he was talking about the cave systems like under La Theine or King Ranperre's Tomb, which twisted and winded into other rooms or zones, not like the cave that connected Qufim and Jueno.

If the journey was as important as you claim it was, the playerbase would not have been in as big a rush to level cap as they were. There's a reason I've mentioned before that even though FFXI was not designed to be a rat race, the players turned it into one anyways. As that is the nature of MMOs, I'd rather the design keep the rat race in mind instead of creating as many inconveniences as it can to try to deter something that is unevitable and unstopable.

Seems more of the ease of leveling rather than the playerbase. People would still play long hours or try to get into a max xp lvl party in XI to get to 75 asap as well, however the game still slowed the pace down so that you did more during the journey.

Right. It's not like the progression for leveling was limited to Dunes => Qufim => Kazam => Altepa => Crawler's Next => Altepa Again => Boyahda Tree => etc. Oh wait, it was!

Garlaige Citidel, Santuary of Zi'tah, Gusgen Mines, Korroloka Tunnel, to name a few?

[Vandark]

Right. It's not like the progression for leveling was limited to Dunes => Qufim => Kazam => Altepa => Crawler's Next => Altepa Again => Boyahda Tree => etc. Oh wait, it was!

PFFFFFFFFFFFT, No it wasn't

You forgot the part where they said that the good players new all the different xp spots and the party set up required for them. You listed all the scrub camps so I'm going on a limb to guess what kind of XI player you would have been.... Only one of the spots you listed was a good one, a shiny nickel if you can guess which one.

Indeed

o.o You're on Siren too? Small world lol

Yeah man if you still play add me as friend if you want, Vandark is still my XI character.

[Sapphic]

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I get it, you don't like FFXIV ARR.


I know you have an egotistical sense of misplaced entitlement because you played FFXI and FFXIV 1.0-1.23. You've shown it in numerous posts.

I've read "You" want to change FFXIV ARR into 1.24.

What I don't get is why you are still playing. Or does that sense of entitlement you have extend to thinking that as you are paying a subscription fee that they will bow down to the "almighty Vandarks" wishes?

If a company that has produced games I like before makes one I don't like, I dont buy or play it. If a game changes direction from something I enjoyed to something I don't I stop playing. Do I go on the forums demanding that they change just because I paid before? Of course not, I live in the real world, not in cloud cuckoo land.

Now, instead of avoiding the question. Why not go to the FFXI forums which, albeit has changed, is closer to what you want and would make more sense to revert to what it was than to inanely try and change the direction totally of ARR?

[Obysuca]

Yeah man if you still play add me as friend if you want, Vandark is still my XI character.

I haven't been on since a little after SoA came out. Mostly because even well after it was out, people were still only shouting for aby crap or just full on stopped doing anything :/

[Pikarya]

It's not like the progression for leveling was limited to Dunes => Qufim => Kazam => Altepa => Crawler's Next => Altepa Again => Boyahda Tree => etc. Oh wait, it was!

I'm not sure how long you played XI. But there were many, many more XP spot options than that.

[Virgil]

I'm not sure how long you played XI. But there were many, many more XP spot options than that.

When did Boyahda Tree become obsolete? Either CoP or ToAU but definitely by the time ToAU came out.