And so begins the Vote-kick abuse

[Applesnap]

Another issue no-one has brought up:

We were in a LotA run where one of our members repeatedly MPKed the alliance at Atomos, so we vote-kicked them out. The reason they started this is because they had event gear on and we asked them to change it. All they have to do is re-queue "in progress" and they'll be able to join right away, from the alliance they've been kicked from. Subsequently tried to MPK at Thanatos and griefed on Vassago (auto-attacked bosses) so we kicked them a further two times. They came back again and again.

What I didn't understand is why one of our members defended them, telling us to "have fun and lighten up", then proceeded to GM us all after the run for vote-kick abuse. Why the hell do people vote-kicked from an alliance not suffer the lock-out penalty? That's a no-brainer to me...

[Sygmaelle]

Another abuse of the vote kick system I have seen is that players who think they are exceptional and shouldn't be in a group that fails once ask the group to be kicked so they get around the DF lockout for leaving the instance. I for once never vote them out and love when they get mad about it lol.

For me it is just no reason. U wanna leave because you feel superior to the group and can't be arsed to be in a group with lesser experience that needs several attempts? Don't do DF roulette but use the Party finder. But don't expect to be able to disband the group without getting any penalties like it is the most normal thing in the World.

Last time i did that, I got kicked xD

[HumsterMKX]

Why don't they just let ppl know who started the vote kick and which server that person on.

Everyone's details get know by everyone including that person been voted against.

Right now its so annon, and there is no way anyone can defend themselves.

[Avorniel]

Why don't they just let ppl know who started the vote kick and which server that person on.

Everyone's details get know by everyone including that person been voted against.

Right now its so annon, and there is no way anyone can defend themselves.

If I ever decide to go back to using DF I will just take a screenshot of the whole group and report the whole dam lot,unless they voice there disagreement,but then again the person who started the kick could be one of the players disagreeing with it,so they don't get reported for abuse..so you could just end up reporting players who didn't do anything which is harsh and unfair so whats the point in reporting unless it's 100% in favor of kicking..ie 3/4 in groups or 7/8 in raids and so on

[Zakalwe]

Observation: No where is it mentioned that vote kicking for poor performance is against the rules.

Statement: Thank you Hvinire for the clarification.

Observation: no where does is it mentioned that vote kicking for playing a PS3 is against the rules.

(...or being a Lolly or wearing a funny hat or being the wrong class of healer or being a melee class or ...)

[Zaels]

Yeah the other day my sister queued for CT, got into a group including several people form an FC on a different server. They kicked her before a specific boss died just so their bards are guarenteed the bard loot that drops.

My sister didn't even need the bard gear from there either, because her entire gearset is almost all ilvl90. This kind of abuse disgusts me and something needs to be done about people like that.

[Pure-Wasabi]

You know what's GREAT about the new vote kick system?

If you enter a dungeon via roulette, and it happens to be one you dislike, you can just go AFK; eventually someone will vote kick you for being AFK. Usually takes about 5-10 minutes, but it does happen. OR someone will leave before you and then you can leave safely.

The benefits to this is that you do not get the penalty for leaving a dungeon early. So basically SE shot themselves in the foot again. They wanted to implement a system that stopped people from leaving dungeons early and removed unwanted players from a group.

Wherein they have presented more beneficial options for the players who want to leave dungeons early by just going AFK and getting vote kicked.

Old system: 15 minute penalty for leaving early

New system: 30 minute penalty for leaving early, BUT will only be 5-10 minute penalty if vote kicked for being AFK, or if someone leaves early.

Thanks SE for giving people who abuse systems like these more tools at their disposal.

I have a motto in life as do many others before me: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"

[NovaUltimatum]

Old system: 15 minute penalty for leaving early

New system: 30 minute penalty for leaving early, BUT will only be 5-10 minute penalty if vote kicked for being AFK, or if someone leaves early.

I've already seen people just asking to be kicked to avoid their timeout. What's the GM's stance on that?

[Aegis]

We were in a LotA run where one of our members repeatedly MPKed the alliance at Atomos, so we vote-kicked them out. The reason they started this is because they had event gear on and we asked them to change it. All they have to do is re-queue "in progress" and they'll be able to join right away, from the alliance they've been kicked from. Subsequently tried to MPK at Thanatos and griefed on Vassago (auto-attacked bosses) so we kicked them a further two times. They came back again and again.

[Devil's advocate]: Apart from deliberate MPK, what you describe doesn't fit the 'kick' criteria. If his gear is good enough to pass the ilevel requirement (i90 accessories and i90 weapon means you can go in naked) then you shouldn't kick him based on wearing event gear, it's past the level SE decided is required. If he's only auto-attacking, it's not harassment as such; that argument could be extended to 'anyone not doing the best rotation is harassing me'.

Player performance and Player Gear are not one of the four options for kicking someone. Saying that their gear or perfomance amounts to harassment is not gonna get you anywhere with a GM.

[/devil's advocate]

[Darkschnaider]

Each days ago, someone kick me from a main scenario duty because my pc after some CS take like 20 sec to load, and say me "we cant wait 20 sec for a healer (i was healer in that moment)" after that i was kicked. Before told me that i need to buy a better pc. What do you think about that?. I report but honestly I doubt that SE has done something against him.