And so begins the Vote-kick abuse

[Avorniel]

it was wrong that they threatened u with vote kick, but no1 is forcing u to skip CS , if u get kicked because of it , report them.

but u waited 2h to enter the dungeon....so u agreed to skip cs in order to finish the dungeon.

I agreed as in I just shut up and did what I needed to do, due to the queues ,doesn't make it right how many times do I have to keep trying to do the main stories to actually see the whole story,it just makes me sad that something so simple can cause so many issues to players who are trying to enjoy the game with either cut scenes or loot or even trying to learn your class.
I am surprised SE didn't see this coming before they added it in but then they didn't see how RMT would become ripe either even though other major MMO's have had the same issues..lol

[Gokuhan]

I have heard of this happening, but what gets me is this: You cannot use the vote kick feature if you went in with a pre-made party. So if they initiated a vote to kick so their friend could get the drop, they had to be randomly paired with their friend by the DF. This seems unlikely.

[Leknaat]

I have heard of this happening, but what gets me is this: You cannot use the vote kick feature if you went in with a pre-made party. So if they initiated a vote to kick so their friend could get the drop, they had to be randomly paired with their friend by the DF. This seems unlikely.

You can queue as anywhere from 2-8 people. The fact the kick vote worked makes it sound like they were at least half of the group. I remember hearing that there was a FC on Famfrit that was doing shady stuff like kicking the other tank to make sure their tank got the loot and they did it for like a couple weeks running - might be still at it for all I know.

What /I/ want to know is why SE was too lazy to implement a 'cannot vote to kick while loot is being rolled for' like WoW does.

[Sove92]

Thank you for your input on the vote dismiss feature. The dev. team is currently discussing countermeasures against potential misuses of the system.

Additionally, as stated in the 2.1 patch notes, any abuse of the vote dismiss feature is considered harassment. We ask that users submit a GM report should you come across any situation where the vote dismiss feature is being misused.

I'd assume it's also considered misuse to kick someone to allow party to leave without penalty. How some of my FC members have been doing this is that they ask the target (the person they actually just want out), if it's okay for them to be kicked so nobody gets leave penalty. If they don't agree, they are kicked anyway because they are refusing to "leave" (saying that's griefing the party.)

I don't agree with this behavior at all.

[Venom]

I was in a PT once and a player was going all Leeroy on the allience on Atomos. It caused a wipe so the leader initiated vote kick under harrasment. I clicked no and it failed. I clicked no because I thought it could be solved by a simple discussion with the player. I was not sure what the player did was harassment, so of course I click no to kick. Later on he was on the wrong PT Vassago. Vote kick was initiated as offline. He was online so I clicked no, the vote kick still passed as too many others clicked yes. I said why did you guys kick him as he was online, the PT responded that his brain was offline. Does going Leeroy on the Allience count as Harassment? There are only 4 options but a lot more than 4 problems within parties.

[Welsper59]

I'd assume it's also considered misuse to kick someone to allow party to leave without penalty. How some of my FC members have been doing this is that they ask the target (the person they actually just want out), if it's okay for them to be kicked so nobody gets leave penalty. If they don't agree, they are kicked anyway because they are refusing to "leave" (saying that's griefing the party.)

I don't agree with this behavior at all.

Honestly, proven misuse in general should just be met with harsh consequences either on first offense (depending on severity) or upon second. And by harsh, I mean just total removal of account, no questions asked. Should it be a case of being hacked (which would be unusual on its own for this reason), be it a lie or not, they could go through CS to retrieve. That alone should be more than enough of a deterrent for people to abuse the system.

[Monkey]

I was in a DF party for Garuda Extreme. One of the tank said it was their first time and admitted they haven't watched any youtube clip about it. Everyone else in the party wasn't pleased by this, but most wanted to give it a try anyways. However, one of our healers decided to run in and MPK the party. Afterwards, he/she asked us to vote kick him/her. They proceeded to do it a few more times. A vote kick was initiated and did not pass because a couple of us did not want to reward their griefing with what they wanted. Eventually the vote kick passed after some argument and everyone left. I reported that player. Now that's an abuse of the system.

[Ashgarth]

I have heard of this happening, but what gets me is this: You cannot use the vote kick feature if you went in with a pre-made party. So if they initiated a vote to kick so their friend could get the drop, they had to be randomly paired with their friend by the DF. This seems unlikely.

This is either false or bugged since I've used the /votekick feature a few times in dungeons I've entered with LS mates.

[Rekujen]

that's nice n all but literally 99% of my GM tickets have been

"thanks for contacting us, we can't help you, bye"

do the GM's even do anything in this game?

[BobbinT]

No that's not fair to say. I've been to parties where someone kicks another player and I click no. IDK how many have to vote yes in a 8 man party, but a 4 man party it only takes 2 so I would assume it only takes 4 for an 8 man party. So just because a few do it doesn't mean everyone did it. Like I did a Praet run the other day and we just got to Ultima and someone tried to kick someone it failed but there was no reason to kick anyone since all players were doing there job. I guess it was an accident as no one confessed to who tried to do it.

I don't know...

For something like this, and even with big abuse-warning, if there's even someone who vote against the idea and lose over the majority, he/she should already felt this is really wrong and especially (again) because of the warning. Usually these person would be compelled to help the victim.

But still... we're talking about votes here, and if there's 7 players, it needs at least 4 vote to commence the kicking. And if the reason only because of gameplay, I don't think it would cause major problem. We're talking about abuse for controlling loot here. And this is not just an issue anymore.

And with no one from that 7 players coming up and helping clear this problem, it is obvious that they all agree STEALING a player's chance for the loot. Until there's even 1 good conscience player from that party step up and clarify this, don't even try to defend those who you would say were voting against.