The value of Determination

[Eardstapa]

umm very wrong

3 Points of DTR = 1 point of STR = whatever amount of extra hate that generates, use the most up to date iteration of the damage formula people on the forums have been working on.

as for WARs I do not know, but determination is important for emnity generation for a PLD.

People still do not have any hard data on this 3 Points = 1 point of Str non-sense... And it makes me laugh, considering how easy they made aggro management with 2.1, why do we need to increase the enmity we generate? And if that's the case, to make any significant difference, you would need much more determination than we can currently get. I am more interested in them doing tests on parry and dexterity for tanks than I am about doing more damage... If I am going to tank, I am there to take and mitigate damage, not dish it out.

[WingsofWar]

umm very wrong
3 Points of DTR = 1 point of STR = whatever amount of extra hate that generates, use the most up to date iteration of the damage formula people on the forums have been working on.

as for WARs I do not know, but determination is important for enmity generation for a PLD.

Wut? Think about what your saying, even if 3DTR = 1STR were true. And we are talking soly about emnity values..wouldn't that still make it less valuable..aka less important. If we are scaling, weapon damage and STR holds more importance over DTR.

People still do not have any hard data on this 3 Points = 1 point of Str non-sense... And it makes me laugh, considering how easy they made aggro management with 2.1, why do we need to increase the enmity we generate? And if that's the case, to make any significant difference, you would need much more determination than we can currently get. I am more interested in them doing tests on parry and dexterity for tanks than I am about doing more damage... If I am going to tank, I am there to take and mitigate damage, not dish it out.

my thoughts exactly, like i said before, if you were a low level GLA and you had no access to sheild oath, sword oath, and rage of halon. I can see how determination is more valueable. Weapon Damage > STR > VIT > DTR > PARRY > SKILL SPEED. But at a certain point in the progression of the class DTR becomes less valueable to a tank roll in lew of greater weapon and larger str pools making the bulk of your enmity generation. End game content is all about finding the most Accuracy and Parry you can balance.

[AugustusSB]

Wut? Think about what your saying, even if 3DTR = 1STR were true. And we are talking soly about emnity values..wouldn't that still make it less valuable..aka less important. If we are scaling, weapon damage and STR holds more importance over DTR.

Of course STR and WP are still more important than DTR in the stat priority chain. I was never arguing this. I just didn't agree with your weights listed, because imo DTR = PARRY and would slot in above SS.

Weapon Damage> Vitality > Accuracy > Parry > Skill Speed

[AugustusSB]

not dish it out

There is hard data to support this, in fact there is a 2.1 factored damage formula being calculated; it is not set in stone yet but the word on the street is it is closer to any other approximation we have had thus far. Here are some stat weights for certain classes, I know it is not a paladin but I'm almost positive it would not be that far off.

MNK:

WD 8.321
STR 1
DTR 0.329
CRT 0.163
SS 0.157

BRD:

WD 8.683
DEX 1.000
DTR 0.314
CRT 0.269
SS 0.126

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Reborn/page111

Dragoon data is also in that forum.

But if that doesn't fit any kind of supporting evidence, while I don't have the numbers I am in a emnity build at the moment due to gearing with maxed out i70 hq fully slotted accessories. I can take hate from BiS Paladins with a regular Curtana if I don't watch my aggro. (and no i'm not taking advantage of the sword oath bug)

[AugustusSB]

The reason you see DEX there and not STR is due to DEX being the primary Damage attribute for a Bard,

DRG is listed below:

WD: 8.488
STR: 1.000
DET: 0.323
CRT: 0.184
SS: 0.152