Casting Succor before battle...

[Ashira]

Well if anyone gets hit within the first half minute of the fight, you get some free mitigation; why not?

The way I see it though; once everyone has Stoneskin and Succor has been cast, it shows that both of your healers are present and ready. Succor is just another way of saying "Pull."

[aerikon]

Succor is just another way of saying "Pull."

This.... all day this. And then the tank waits 25 seconds before shield lobbing right as everyone's buff wears off *sigh*

[erasure25]

Exactly!! Note to Tanks: Succor is the universal symbol for pull!

[Ymbryne]

It's a much better idea to Adloquium the main tank before the pull. There are few fights where the party will take damage before the tank does. There are, however, plenty of fights where a tank may be cleaved for large damage before everyone is in position. Having to drop a big cure on a tank who hasn't completed their full enmity combo can be very bad.

This is very important. Succor will generate enmity equivalent to 150 potency times the number of party members, while Adloquium is only 300 potency on one target. So, if you happen to land a Succor after the pull (which has happened more times than I can count), you may be in for the exact kind of pain you were trying to prevent. Adloquium, on the other hand, will generate between half to a quarter of the enmity that Succor will.

If you cast Succor before the tank pulls, there is no enmity. If you're casting Succor AS the tank pulls, you're doing it wrong.

I Succor entire group and then Adloquium the pulling tank, to overwrite the weaker Succor shield. This is done before any enemies are engaged.

[Yamete]

Exactly!! Note to Tanks: Succor is the universal symbol for pull!

It happened plenty of times that a SCH casted succor, when the group wasn't ready.. and yes, as MT I ran into the fight, hearing people scream WAAAIITTTT..
pretty hilarious.. so, is this "succor the universal symbol for pull" reliable? I don't think so :-P

I do prefer a ready check, just like in WOW

[Daenerys_Sedai]

doesn't hurt and it's quick. It's saved me and my party a few times when the tank makes a questionable pull.. was in CT the other night and the tank, for whatever reason, pulled to and tanked KB at the entrance..where most people were standing...

[YuriRamona]

If you cast Succor before the tank pulls, there is no enmity. If you're casting Succor AS the tank pulls, you're doing it wrong.

I Succor entire group and then Adloquium the pulling tank, to overwrite the weaker Succor shield. This is done before any enemies are engaged.

Even with VoIP, it is possible to cast too late before a pull begins.

Most players are playing with PUG combos of tanks and healers. I've yet to encounter a PUG tank who gives proper warning (about 10 seconds) before a pull or uses a macro to alert the SCH to pre-shield.

In this instance, if you are not familiar with the tank, I would recommend skipping the Succor (which, as I've mentioned, is pretty much useless) and going straight to the Adloquium.

If your Succor resolves after the pull, then you will pull substantial enmity and the tank will have a fairly weak shield on them. If you cast Adloquium and it resolves after the pull, then it's much more likely the tank can regain hate with a secondary Shield Lob / Tomahawk.

Obviously, if you're doing it right and coordinating pulls properly, you would Succor then Adloquium, and your BLM/SMN will Eye for an Eye as well. But a vast majority of the player base does not enjoy that kind of coordination, so slimming down your pre-pull sequence to Adloquium is recommended.

[SulwynCaliope]

The only fight where I cast succor before a pull right now is at Garuda HM. This is because she frictions a random team member before the shield wears off. I've noticed that stoneskin + succor shield can mitigate practically all the damage from that first friction which means that instead of trying to heal those who were injured, I can just continue adding some DPS on Garuda until her first jump, whereby I succor again to mitigate more damage from her second friction.

I haven't really seem another fight where there's party wide damage within the first few seconds of the fight though. I mainly just adlo the MT to buy me a few seconds to get a shadowflare down for it's slow effect.

[Ymbryne]

I haven't really seem another fight where there's party wide damage within the first few seconds of the fight though. I mainly just adlo the MT to buy me a few seconds to get a shadowflare down for it's slow effect.

Titan EX, Tumult is within 30 seconds of the pull.

[AldoVonAlexandros]

i use succor and fey covenant before pulling, mitigates a little the damage