Summoners have actually ruined this game's PvP

[TaneshimaPopura]

I don't know about you guys but I have no problem locking people down without Night Wing. I don't get why it is such mandatory when you can just Surecast it, or just Aetherial Away and the Sleep. I've win almost 40% on my BLM when I'm bored that is without ANY morale gear and PvP skill. And the reason I lose is cause I get eaten up too damn quick.

Dependency on Night Wing is bad and you don't use it for opener since it is 20s only. If it was 30s then I'd reconsider. I've seen countless BLMs who can't Sleep when being trained by 2 people when they don't have Quick cast or Nightwing.

[Nachie]

This is my major gripe. We all know the class is overpowered, but now it's just ruining the game's variety. No composition is complete without a Summoner.

SMNs are outshining most jobs, I agree. You can deal with 1 if it's premade vs premade though, especially if you have a BLM. 2 SMNs though, just afk and wait to click leave.

[LongNu]

SMNs are outshining most jobs, you can deal with 1 if it's premade vs premade, especially if you have a BLM. 2 SMNs though, just afk and wait to click leave.

And... why do majority teams have to have one Summoner on their team? Why can't I encounter a team without this class in 50 PvP? Why should I gimp my own team by not bringing a Summoner? I wish I was exaggerating when I said 9/10 teams roll at least one Summoner. I honestly wish I was.

[Quackley]

I don't know about you guys but I have no problem locking people down without Night Wing. I don't get why it is such mandatory when you can just Surecast it, or just Aetherial Away and the Sleep. I've win almost 40% on my BLM when I'm bored that is without ANY morale gear and PvP skill. And the reason I lose is cause I get eaten up too damn quick.

Dependency on Night Wing is bad and you don't use it for opener since it is 20s only. If it was 30s then I'd reconsider. I've seen countless BLMs who can't Sleep when being trained by 2 people when they don't have Surecast or Nightwing.

It's mandatory because it's a 20 second sleep that's INSTANT (surecast don't mean squat when the buff comes off at the start of a cast, ie you can CC off the buff) and aoe?

[Nachie]

And... why do majority teams have to have one Summoner on their team? Why can't I encounter a team without this class in 50 PvP? Why should I gimp my own team by not bringing a Summoner? I wish I was exaggerating when I said 9/10 teams roll at least one Summoner. I honestly wish I was.

You are missing the point, do you even read or just complain. Because I think I agree with you on my post yet you are still trying to justify your claims. I was just saying you can deal with 1 SMN, not completely counter it with a BLM. And just to make it clear for you, YES! SMNs are way above and beyond every other jobs atm.

[LongNu]

You are missing the point, do you even read or just complain. Because I think I agree with you on my post yet you are still trying to justify your claims. YES, SMNs are way above and beyond every other jobs atm.

Justify what? If PvP is going to be this way for a while month, then think about what organized teams would be at the end of this month.

SMN/SMN
SMN/BLM
SMN/BRD

These 3 (which all happen to have a SMN) will dominate any other team in organized play. Any player worth their salt would know why. Even if there are other teams using MNK or DRG, they're far better off using a SMN for their 2nd DPS spot. If things are to get 'competitive', then people will naturally want the best advantage they can get. In this case it happens to be said class. It will be so fun seeing all the different compositions that of course, include a Summoner. This isn't flustering to see ONE CLASS in every single team? And how long do we have to deal with this dominance?

[TaneshimaPopura]

@Quackley

Cause you don't pay attention to what others do. The only person with reliable stun in most comp is MRD/WAR brutal swing once it is down surecast and Sleep him. IT's not rocket science. And for good measures, Aetherial Manipulate to your healer then surecast if you are not confident.

[Djlovedrop]

I don't know about you guys but I have no problem locking people down without Night Wing. I don't get why it is such mandatory when you can just Surecast it, or just Aetherial Away and the Sleep. I've win almost 40% on my BLM when I'm bored that is without ANY morale gear and PvP skill. And the reason I lose is cause I get eaten up too damn quick.

Dependency on Night Wing is bad and you don't use it for opener since it is 20s only. If it was 30s then I'd reconsider. I've seen countless BLMs who can't Sleep when being trained by 2 people when they don't have Quick cast or Nightwing.

just saying its not mandatory is enough...please im trying to be 100% nice when i say this but stop embarrassing yourself on this forumn

[Quackley]

@Quackley

Cause you don't pay attention to what others do. The only person with reliable stun in most comp is MRD/WAR brutal swing once it is down surecast and Sleep him. IT's not rocket science. And for good measures, Aetherial Manipulate to your healer then surecast if you are not confident.

I don't pay attention because I realize that a 20 second instant aoe sleep is incredibly good and worth the points?
oky doky m8, if you say so.

You're wrong, and your posts display that you don't really understand, but whatever floats your boat. :/

[LongNu]

Red in less than a day.