Summoners have actually ruined this game's PvP

[TaneshimaPopura]

SMN is broken purely because it has sustain, burst and recovery. It's like a hybrid class which can fill all roles except pure healing (Actually to some extend they can if they Materia Mind and are able to heal upwards of 700-800 per Physicks). FotM class is one thing, but totally broken FoTM is another thing. Basically any FoTM class will have one most important characteristic - Ability to Global someone with relative ease.

And as it currently stands. SMNs are capable of just that and MRDs, though MRDs need CDs to execute and can be kited whereas SMNs are free to do. Take for example if say BLM's Scathe actually has a chance to proc Firestarter has 120 Potency and 20% chance of dealing double damage. It too can be a FoTM class, since the BLM will just scathe to a Firestarter, Scathe more to save another firestarter, then get a Double Scathe Crit follow it with Firestarted in AF3 Quickcast Flare.

[Lunami]

Summoner walks into a bar. There is no counter.

[Djlovedrop]

SMN is broken purely because it has sustain, burst and recovery. It's like a hybrid class which can fill all roles except pure healing (Actually to some extend they can if they Materia Mind and are able to heal upwards of 700-800 per Physicks).

Very incorrect

[AldricBranchais]

Summoner walks into a bar. There is no counter.

[Nenin]

There is almost always one or two fotm classes in every mmo. Adjustment is coming u need only wait for it.

I waited 3 years for them to rebuild the game after the abject failure of 1.0. I waited for them to buy new servers when they couldn't handle the 'unexpected' early release numbers. I waited another 3 months for them to implement the promised PvP.


I'm still waiting for bots I've seen since day 1 to be banned. I'm still waiting for a response to a GM ticket I filed months ago. I'm still waiting for them to make Fantasia purchasable. I'm still waiting for legacy -> nonlegacy server transfers to be allowed.


Since 2.1 I've been waiting for an actual battleground to be introduced. I've been waiting for them to lower the cost of the PvP point reset item, so I can respec without having to grind for days. I've been waiting for them to fix the invincible bunny hopping.






I have PvP'd in quite a few MMOs and while all have imbalanced classes to some extent, SMN in this game are on an entirely different level. They bring all the strengths of casters (no sprint penalty, long ranged abilities, very high burst, strong CC, no positional requirements like flank) while managing to avoid all the downsides because almost everything is instant cast. Miasma serves the purposes of damage, CC, and offensive pressure with a healing debuff all in one. They have the only snare in the game that stacks with others and is NOT removed with abilities like Tempered Will. They are the only DPS in the game with a combat raise. They have self heals, abilities that fire off the GCD, and of course a pet.

Every day I see more and more SMN in games, less of all others, more bots, more 3 man teams, and less variety in team comps. If you join a game without a SMN on your team but you can see a SMN on theirs through the gate, your chances of winning instantly plummet. This is absolutely killing PvP for me and it will only get worse unless 2.15 happens FAST. I'd have to guess that 80% of the teams I face now have at least one SMN.

[Ryuko]

I agree that summoner needs to be toned down a bit. Miasma 1/2, the cooldown on Rouse, and the ability to throw off a nice Enkindle at the same time as a Fester makes it really easy to 'burst' someone down... but only if they aren't trying really hard to LoS me. Summoner has always been my main, both in pvp and outside of pvp... The first night PvP came out, people didn't realize how 'good' summoner was... left me alone... and I consistently destroyed people in damage. After a few days, people realized summoners were dangerous, and I started getting focused hardcore. The community will learn how to deal with different classes over time, but there's no doubt that Miasma needs some readjusting... Perhaps Rouse should stay (having a slept/cced pet is no fun), but Enkindle perhaps should be adjusted.

I do not believe SMN is 'crazy' OP, though. There are plenty of ways to deal with the class. You could easily burst me down if you could catch me, or keep me slept/stunned. Or, kill my pet and force me to blow my Swiftcast. (Note to summoners: pet stats are calculated when they are summoned. So, if you enter a fight in PvE gear, summon your pet, then switch to PvP gear... it will receive the increased HP/VIT from your PvE gear, resulting in a LOT more HP to start the match with. I have yet to test if morale carries over to pets, or if it makes more sense to let them get your pvp stats, however.) If more than one person manages to get hit by my Miasma 2, though... that is bad planning on their party, similarly to if a whole party gets hit by a BLM Sleep-ga. You shouldn't be too close to your other party members when a caster is around. Don't make it too easy for a summoner to Bane/AoE.

[Djlovedrop]

No way summoners were more powerful then warriors in wow during cataclysm where they literraly just charged and killed 3 people in 3 seconds...SE just dabbled in pvp and learning from it. Since you are good at waiting keep waiting because it will get better thanks!

[Sunako]

Have u tried lvl 30 bracket? there summoners do not have any pet burst cooldowns or instant ruin or miasma2 or fester.

[TaneshimaPopura]

@DJ

Based on my Scholar yes they can achieve that number If they max meld Mind. Its not a lot considering a BLM with low Mind could Max mind and Physicks for 550-600. ACN has higher base mind. Cataclysm warrior OPness was due to Mastery being absurd, problem is if you don't enrage it's useless.

What I do think is that Miasma 2's Disease effect needs to be reduced down to 5 seconds or so. That way the caster has to think twice whether Miasma 2 now and get away but putting Disease on a shorter DR if you manage to manual cast Miasma. Or ponder whether they should blow Quickcast in the event they can't cast Miasma. It's like the choice of using Blizzard 2 over Freeze for BLMs or Tri-Disaster on SMNs. Not just mindlessly spamming Miasma 2 just because it is the superior way in applying Disease.

Edit: Checked back Fester is 35 sorry.

[Sunako]

@Sunako

They have Fester at 30.

Fester is lvl 35 ability.