Make FFXIV more like FFXI and less like WoW

[Amiantos]

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Because most people who played 1.0 hated it. I played launch it was a steaming turd that I like most people abandoned like a sinking ship, which it was. I came back near the end played from 1.2 to end and it was a mediocre game at best that needed seriously over hauling still. It's a shame that you and the small number of people who enjoyed 1.2 didn't get the change you wanted, but most others got something they enjoy more than they enjoyed 1.0.

[Vandark]

Because most people who played 1.0 hated it. I played launch it was a steaming turd that I like most people abandoned like a sinking ship, which it was. I came back near the end played from 1.2 to end and it was a mediocre game at best that needed seriously over hauling still. It's a shame that you and the small number of people who enjoyed 1.2 didn't get the change you wanted, but most others got something they enjoy more than they enjoyed 1.0.

There is plenty Square Enix could have done to save that game, the game still had massive amounts of potential, even if they did want to over hawl the game I don't believe it would have been impossible to keep the playing style. Instead of doing what they do best they just took the cheap easy way out, sad to say but all I see is a quick fix to get a quick buck.

I'm shocked that SE have so much difficulty coming up with ideas these days. It's almost like they don't even know there own product anymore.

[Gramul]

I see is a quick fix to get a quick buck.

I wouldn't go that far, as they did invest millions into remaking it. However, I do think a lot of their design decisions have been very short sighted. Most content seems to be neglected in favor of the boss/raid route.

[Vandark]

I wouldn't go that far, as they did invest millions into remaking it. However, I do think a lot of their design decisions have been very short sighted. Most content seems to be neglected in favor of the boss/raid route.

They even admitted they took short cuts to save money, they had such an extreme dead line to meet.

Lets face it, they remade a game that took 7 years to make ARR in one year.

Yes they reused much of the same materials yet much of the heart and soul put into the game was lost in the process.

[Amiantos]

There is plenty Square Enix could have done to save that game, the game still had massive amounts of potential, even if they did want to over hawl the game I don't believe it would have been impossible to keep the playing style. Instead of doing what they do best they just took the cheap easy way out, sad to say but all I see is a quick fix to get a quick buck.

I'm shocked that SE have so much difficulty coming up with ideas these days. It's almost like they don't even know there own product anymore.

Engine for one needed a complete reworking as it was the result of the whole copy and pasted environment and even high end PC's hated it due to poor optimization.
SE suffers from being a big name game maker and publisher, much like every other AAA game maker is these days. Their bread winner titles are no longer viable sources and they can't let go of this.

[Zarzak]

This again? FFXI sucked, let's move past it.

Yea it sucks so much it is still active and producing expansions. EQ and FFXI have stayed around longer than WoW has been around. You know why? Because people quit FFXI/EQ to try WoW. Hit level cap by spamming solo quests and realize "well now theres nothing to do but solo rep grinds and sit in town until raids and shit.. All that soloing from 1-cap I didn't actually get the chance to interact with people and find non idiots to raid with"

Though WoW did a great job of solving that last one by introducing the fantastic system that is LFR. Can't learn how to play a game? Don't worry they will dumb it down so much that a caveman can do it!

[Vandark]

Can't learn how to play a game? Don't worry they will dumb it down so much that a caveman can do it!

Sounds about as fun as watching fire burn or a wheel role around.. oh wait... cave men find that fun.. hmmm interesting, I see where your going with this.

[Velhart]

That it changed from having a strong hold on a niche market to turning into something almost no one wants?

(My post here isn't pointed towards you, just using it as a basis for discussion.)

It is fine and dandy if players do not enjoy ARR's direction, but I see a lot in this thread that people wanted FFXIV to be their answer to a new game because FFXI has made some questionable decisions. What I ask is, why are people trying so hard to change the foundation of a successful game when you would have a much better shot by jumping into the FFXI forums and convincing developers you want the older style of play back? It makes sense, FFXI I don't think is exactly gaining many subscribers and it is held together by it's long time fan base. I don't know how SE thinks, but under common sense, you should be catering to the small fanbase they have left of the game, who are mostly veterans of the game.

Dood... they are all WoW clones, that's the problem, we are completely over it, we don't want to play anymore WoW rip offs.
FFXI was a better game IMO because it was completely different to WoW and I dislike WoW.

So just because it is different, automatically makes it a better game? Okay.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

Instead we got Final World of Rift Wars Fantasy Craft XIV.

Cute name. Funny you expect developers to be completely original in design. With FFXI players, you put up a "damned if you do, damned if you don't situation". Where if this game based itself directly from FFXI's style, people would scream "FFXI clone". You make an MMO that does meet modern day standards, you scream "WoW clone". Which leads me to a fair conclusion that people don't know what they want, all they know is what they don't want.

[MageBlack]

Every day I log into the game i see FATE groups going strong, Dungeons with less than 15 min queue times (thats for DPS), crafters everywhere, I'm part of a large FC that is constantly active, and the game "seems" to be thriving, at least from everything I can see. This does not have the appearance of a game that is dying or needs saving. I don't feel like the game is dying at all. What I see is excitement for the new stuff they have added and anticipation for the upcoming additions.

Until I log into the forums. Then I see the same few people railing constantly against this game. Once in a while a new one joins in the ranks over a particular topic, but people who truly dont like this game DON'T come to the forums and DON'T play the game and DON'T feel the need to come here and make a scene day after day.

[Synapse]

They just need open world content instead of this crap instances modern MMO spewing out. FFXI was different because not everything was instances, in fact it had about 50% open world and 50% instance.

FATEs and Leves are poor open world contents, this gaming having Final Fantasy in its title is a disgrace.