A party member has withdrawn...

[Kinseykinz]

This or BETTER give us an option to "join ONLY party in progress": problem solved.

No. Just No.

The 'Join Party In Progress' button is not a speed pass. It is not to 'get to the right boss' or to 'get the myth and get out' its...to help people. It's a kindness button. It was put in game to allow parties already in a duty a way to fill a spot once someone abandoned them so that they could finish the duty (otherwise, in many cases, they would have to leave the Duty themselves once one person dropped group due to low DPS/no healer or no tank).

Most parties I join in progress are relieved when I join because their healer abandoned them (usually because a DD messed up once and died or because the tank is new or the healer got pissy when it wasn't a speed run etc) and they had to sit and wait...and watch people NOT accept a 0/3 progress cue...or people join and then leave due to where they are. It's sad. If you select 'Join Party in Progress', you should be doing it because you want to HELP...not because you are impatient or greedy.

[ufufu]

If you select 'Join Party in Progress', you should be doing it because you want to HELP...not because you are impatient or greedy.

Meh. Sorry, I really just want my King Behemoth drop.

[DeadRiser]

Multiple ways to fix this.

People who spam withdraw more than 4 times within a certain amount of time get a 30 min lockout timer just like people who abandon.
People who leave the dungeon early because they get their loot on first/second/third boss, put all the chests at the end of the run.

It gets very frustrating queuing up just to see people spamming withdraw because they would rather not do the dungeon and make everyone else have a miserable time waiting to get in. Even queuing up as a full party for CT, we had to wait for 20 minutes because so many people were spamming withdraw. Don't get me started on the people that leave as soon as they get their drop. Loot should be awarded after the dungeon.

[NeruMew]

Multiple ways to fix this.

People who spam withdraw more than 4 times within a certain amount of time get a 30 min lockout timer just like people who abandon.
People who leave the dungeon early because they get their loot on first/second/third boss, put all the chests at the end of the run.

It gets very frustrating queuing up just to see people spamming withdraw because they would rather not do the dungeon and make everyone else have a miserable time waiting to get in. Even queuing up as a full party for CT, we had to wait for 20 minutes because so many people were spamming withdraw. Don't get me started on the people that leave as soon as they get their drop. Loot should be awarded after the dungeon.

"People who leave the dungeon early because they get their loot on first/second/third boss, put all the chests at the end of the run."

People would go even more crazy to just join the last boss.... UNLESS!!! Tadatada!!! You make the players able to roll only if they were there for the kill of the corresponding boss for each chest.

[Guevara]

No. Just No.

The 'Join Party In Progress' button is not a speed pass. It is not to 'get to the right boss' or to 'get the myth and get out' its...to help people. It's a kindness button. It was put in game to allow parties already in a duty a way to fill a spot once someone abandoned them so that they could finish the duty (otherwise, in many cases, they would have to leave the Duty themselves once one person dropped group due to low DPS/no healer or no tank).

I partially agree with you, but I also think that it is a good option for someone with short time to spend to try the "luck" and join an in-progress party; nothing shameful there, imho.

The problem is when people refuse fresh new instances seeking only already started parties and "withdraw". Maybe the "join ONLY party in-progress" could be limited to once per day or twice.

[Kinseykinz]

No. Just No.
If you select 'Join Party in Progress'... it because you want to HELP...not because you are impatient or greedy.

Meh. Sorry, I really just want my King Behemoth drop.

Right...you are therefore both impatient AND greedy...

Not what 'join in progress' was designed for.

[NeruMew]

And I don't disagree. As I said above, what they do is pretty asinine.

My argument was with the fact that these people make your queues longer. Which they don't. They just make them more annoying (which may feel longer).

I know, I agree with you too, that's what I meant to say. I also wanted to remind everyone that the problem is the people that keep doing it, and that SE can't properly manage queues. XD (a bit bored, or ...)

Right...you are therefore both impatient AND greedy...

Not what 'join in progress' was designed for.

I think there should have never been an option to add or remove instances in progress from the que. This should be on by default and not be optional. When groups fail too much they usually just all drop out anyway (in my experience :P we're not talking science here >_>)

This only generates more issues than it can possibly fix. (look around you)

Easy fix for this..

Implement a stat tracking system behind the scenes that stores the number of times a person withdraws from a Duty.

Then use this information to put these people into the same pool for Duty Finder groups.

So punishing! I call discrimination against innocent players that just want free points! >

I likeeee it!

[Kinseykinz]

I think there should have never been an option to add or remove instances in progress from the que. This should be on by default and not be optional. When groups fail too much they usually just all drop out anyway (in my experience :P we're not talking science here >_>)

This only generates more issues than it can possibly fix. (look around you)

Most groups I join 'in progress' as of late haven't even gotten to the first boss before their healer leaves them...Usually NOT because anyone died (which would be shame on the healer in the first place on a trash mob pull), but because the party wasn't Speed Running/is New to the instance/ etc. Or people leave after the very first mistake/wipe on the 1st or 2nd boss rather than sticking it out...

I have only ever once had one group I joined before Demon Wall literally not have the DPS....even with me on WHM DDing, to kill it....and that was because they were insistant (well tank was) they they just burn the wall...instead of doing it the 'real' way.

Also, if/when I'm in a group where a tank (cause DD's almost never leave) rage-quits, we have always gotten a rep...in part because they DO look for later cues :P

So while maybe my experiences as both a party member and a rep aren't typical...I seriously doubt that most groups that get 'stranded' were unable to clear the content anyway and should therefore be forced to disband if one person leaves.

Not only that, but it would allow tanks and healers to be able to hold people hostage even more. 'Do it my way or I leave and you HAVE to finish without a Tank' 'Guys, if you don't pass all the gear to me, I'll leave and you'll have to recue'.

So I could point out that by NOT having the 'join in progress' feature, you would also have more issues.

As to making everyone cue, and get assigned either an 'in progress' or 'new' party randomly, and hiding what you get until you enter. It will not help. People will just leave when they see where they are/aren't. People do this already with the Duty Roulette.

Pharos Sirius is a prime example of that:
People leave as soon as they see the CS for it.
Others leave if they see a WHM healer over a SCH
WHM's leave a lot too.

Or again, considering I get a lot of 'YAY! party chats as I get in or comments 'I'm new is that okay? Last healer left cause it said I was new :/' Yeah...if you think not allowing the option to select new or in progress will help anything, you're assuming the same people who are trying to circumvent the system now won't find new ways to do it.