SE it's time for A new Job Please. (Tank)

[Parodine]

for godsake.... the ninja it's a killer and a sneaky class.... not a tank... it was a pure nonsense the ninja in ff11... don't redo the same mistake.

the tank in the game have 2 trouble:

1) the look of most of the tank armor are simply ugly... look at this freaking tin can that is the darklight. even the armor from ct look nice on girl and on male it look...weird.

2) let's face it... the class by itself is boring... you simply spamming the same skill over and over... the paladin use the same combo 1 freaking combo! where the other class have more choice.

make the tank more enjoyable and less boring, the armor get a decent look and then you will solve the tank shortage.



i love people that talk of the class and say, yeah it was not like this... indeed the summoner in the Final fantasy solo game are simply using them summon... but in the world of the mmorpg you need more for be viable. time to get your pink glasse off and think a bit.

i will repeat it one more time:

Ninja it's a spy and an assassin, it use the shadow for reach him target or spy the enemy... it's the inverse of a tank that want to be in middle of the melee... a ninja will avoid a big fight if he can...

stop with the ninja as tank... and think a bit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninja

In one sentence you say Summoner's role has changed from previous games, and I need to get over it.
And in the next, you say Ninja should stay the same, because random definition. Lawl.

Look, you want it to be DD. I get you, that's fine. But the point is FFXIV team took SMN in a very different direction that what most people expected. They can, and potentially will, do it was Ninja too. Better not get your expectations too high.

[TessaJalloh]

No ninja tanks. we don't need a repeat of that mistake. Ninja should never have been capable of Tanking in XI and wasn't designed that way until some clever sod realised they could use Utsusemi for tanking.

I'm all for a new tank, but Ninja should not be it.

[silentwindfr]

In one sentence you say Summoner's role has changed from previous games, and I need to get over it.
And in the next, you say Ninja should stay the same, because random definition. Lawl.

Look, you want it to be DD. I get you, that's fine. But the point is FFXIV team took SMN in a very different direction that what most people expected. They can, and potentially will, do it was Ninja too. Better not get your expectations too high.

the summoner still use him pet, but instead to let them do all the jobs he fight too. indeed it's not perfect but it stick to the lore of the class.
the random definition for the ninja it's what definite the ninja... the moment you blow up the part of hidden in the shadow for make it take all the attention is not a ninja anymore...
a tank need to be the center of the attention... is not a covert agent or a spy or an assassin...

[Ryios]

Making a new tank job won't add a bunch of tanks to the que. I have two tanks to 50 both with an il86 gear score and I only tank when LS or FC needs me to, I roll dps any other time. I never que in the DF as tank unless I'm helping someone.

If they made a new tank, I'd probably level it to 50. But then I would grab 7 friends from an LS or FC and que to Crystal Tower. No tank added to que, still a crap ton of DPS in que waiting for pop.

What they need to do is give tanks HUGE insentive to que as a tank solo so some DPS can get a commence window. Right now I run the Daily High roulette and I'm done and I only do that till my myth is capped which is Monday night, same day as reset and I cap in one day in a 6 hour play session.

[Daenerys_Sedai]

New Job (kinda) and somewhat akin to the SMN idea.

Class: Beastmaster (or w/e), Job: Chocobo Trainer

You, personally, are not the tank but your chocobo is. Hell, SE already has the chocobo trait lines for healer, tank and dps. Make the chocobo less summonable (so it's not simply dying and then being re-called via greens). As chocobo trainer, you are basically the managing tank, but you would have a few support skills for yourself to cast.

Just a thought.

[IStolzI]

It's not really a problem. Rolling DPS is the easier rout, so it only makes sense they should wait longer in que. it still has been shortened substantially with 2.2.

To get people who don't tank now to want to tank is solvable by adding another job. I think there are a large amount of people who will play a job they like no matter what role it is. The two obvious choices are ninja or samurai.

I think samurai should and will be a tank. People are going to play samurai no matter what. SE could release samurai as a healer and while people might be upset, they'd still flock to it.

[Ryios]

Samurai: 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, special move, 1, 2, 3
Palding: 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, shield lob, flash, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3
Warrior: 1, 2, 3, A1, A2, A3, 1, 2, Inner Beast
Ninja: 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3 w/e

See the problem? It's not the classes, it's tanking in general, you more often than not just stand there, mass the same buttons in order over and over, and don't lose agro while wwaiting for dps to kill stuff. Healing and dpsing is way more fun. I only rolled tank because I knew I would be needed and I trust myself to not lag and play well over other people.

[LordSaviour]

probably wont see a new class until first Xpack.

Especially with the way they are rolling out content and the way they keep pushing back things.

[Arkista]

Ninja wont be a tank.

That's fine. Ninja was just an easy candidate since it could be copied/pasted basically from FFXI, Even though it wasn't intended to be a Tank. Just like I said Viking cause it just seems like it would fit into the Lore of Ishgard.

This game needs Thief or Muskateer before a new Tank

Musketeer is going to be the first new job so don't sweat it. As for THF I don't think it will ever see the light of day in FFXIV. THFs abilities that make it a thief really has no use in this game. Mug, Steal, Treasure Hunter, Flee... If they are going to add a Dual Wielding DPS class they should just add Ninja/assassin.

Judge a dual wielding sword enfeebling tank.

Judge would make a fun Job to play and could fit in with lore. Maybe there could be a Imperial Guild (good imperials).


There have been lots of good idea's. As for the Whole Ninja not a Tank thing, That's fine it was a easy job that could be added to the game without much work.

[GabrielK]

What I don't understand, considering the weapon philosophy in the game (1 job - 1 weapon type), is how would they add Musketeer as a Job ? Since they will be, hopefully, wielding 2 smaller guns or one big gun, and the base class uses bows. (assuming it's based off of archer)

And even if they would add a new weapon type, how would that fit with all the archer skill that clearly scream "bow users"? (equivalent if it's based off of Marauders)

They'd have to rework how class selection happens too, since now Job is determined by the equipped soul, not weapon. So if you equip a "musketeer's soul" and still have a bow.. hm, what ?

Thoughts ?