Despite its flaws, i like this game a lot

[Renshi]

LOL I hope you're just joking? :P

no.
sources.
now.

[Mack]

no.
sources.
now.

Why so I can prove to you what everyone else here can already see with their own eyes? no thanks. The only source I can give you is pre-order numbers and even those I wont bother because you can google them on your own. The game is on its last leg you don't need to defend that too, its clear as day.

Actually here, I changed my mind, its even worse than I thought. As of September 18th 2010 FFXIV had 200,312 pre-orders according to VGChartz (so give or take). FFXIV currently has 18 servers, lets assume for a second that the only copies the game sold are its pre-orders, this would make each server's population equal to about 11,110 players. That in itself is below FFXI's numbers by about 10K players a server, right there is enough proof that the game didn't start out that great either and it only went downhill. If you think there's anywhere near 11K players a server today then you're only lying to yourself.

Link to VGChartz: http://www.vgchartz.com/preorders.php?date=40440 (as per your request)

This is the only time I'll even bother.

[Renshi]

Why so I can prove to you what everyone else here can already see with their own eyes?

Exactly! Nobody has the vision of a researcher, you know.

Actually here, I changed my mind, its even worse than I thought. As of September 18th 2010 FFXIV had 200,312 pre-orders according to VGChartz (so give or take). FFXIV currently has 18 servers, lets assume for a second that the only copies the game sold are its pre-orders, this would make each server's population equal to about 11,110 players. That in itself is below FFXI's numbers by about 10K players a server, right there is enough proof that the game didn't start out that great either and it only went downhill. If you think there's anywhere near 11K players a server today then you're only lying to yourself.

Link to VGChartz: http://www.vgchartz.com/preorders.php?date=40440 (as per your request)

This is the only time I'll even bother.

Actually, there ARE players in the servers, who knows if they play =) (and by the way, isn't 10'000 < 11'110 ?)

My point is: At the end, it's pure speculation.
You can say who bought the game, but you can't say who is actually playing the game, so you can't obtain a source about that information, so it's pure speculation.

[Mack]

Exactly! Nobody has the vision of a researcher, you know.


Actually, there ARE players in the servers, who knows if they play =) (and by the way, isn't 10'000 < 11'110 ?)

My point is: At the end, it's pure speculation.
You can say who bought the game, but you can't say who is actually playing the game, so you can't obtain a source about that information, so it's pure speculation.

10K MORE, I know English isn't your first language so my apologies for not being clear. And I know its speculation but if anyone is speculating the game is doing well 7 months post release considering its still free to play, they'd be speculating wrong. And before the population counters were taken down on Selbina you would see a consistent 1000 players in and around there, do you honestly think this number has went up? and say it didn't even go down since, 1000 players is a fail, even 2000 even 3000...Selbina is the highest pop server today...there's problems.

[Renshi]

10K MORE, I know English isn't your first language so my apologies for not being clear. And I know its speculation but if anyone is speculating the game is doing well 7 months post release considering its still free to play, they'd be speculating wrong. And before the population counters were taken down on Selbina you would see a consistent 1000 players in and around there, do you honestly think this number has went up? and say it didn't even go down since, 1000 players is a fail, even 2000 even 3000...Selbina is the highest pop server today...there's problems.

Yup, and if SE "does things right", the PS3 release will bring back many players, both PS3 and PC sided. I know that there are problems, but they can still fix those problems by doing something really neat! It's Square Enix, so I'm not expecting anything, since what they do is always a surprise (in both good and bad ways) =D

p.s. Thanks for bearing me for my English knowledge. I'm trying to learn more and my LS is doing a great job on it =D

[Joe_Cool]

lets assume for a second that the only copies the game sold are its pre-orders, this would make each server's population equal to about 11,110 players.

Why would anyone assume that the only copies that were sold are its pre-orders? That is crazy. Of course the game has sold additional copies that weren't pre-ordered.