A few ideas to improve the WHM from a SCH player

[Hitome]

How is your tank being hit for 6.8k damage? lol That wouldn't happen with CDs or virus on Twin when the tank says he has no CDs up.

It's still a nice safety net, though, but costs a crapton of MP.

Really, I'd be fine if WHM just got a shroud on a 60 second CD with another CD for the enmity reduction. Or: how about just make overhealing not generate enmity at all.

[sharazisspecial]

How is your tank being hit for 6.8k damage? l

Have you not experienced TT just one shotting paladin tanks from full hp? Warrior tanks also take dangerous amounts of damage too.

[Cligue]

That's tank / party communication fail. Like he said virus rotated in with the Tanks CDs will stop that. Not saying stone skin is a bad idea though, since it's always nice to have a buffer.

[sharazisspecial]

That's tank / party communication fail. Like he said virus rotated in with the Tanks CDs will stop that. Not saying stone skin is a bad idea though, since it's always nice to have a buffer.

Better to play it safe with stoneskin. You can do both stoneskin and timed cure 2 if she allows you too. Adlo crit+stoneskin =tank takes almost no damage xD. Mp intensive but my bard does ballad during dive bomb phase.

Btw Ifrit ex and stoneskin, i have noticed half his attacks just go through it. Which makes it good for softening the tank damage spikes. Reducing the need for cure2.

[Avette]

I'm mildly against the overall theme of making everything easier. Free spells, more spells off the GCD, and better mp management all serve to reduce the thought that goes into using a given spell or not.

I would argue that this problem of opportunity costs is a liability to the raid.

For example, putting regen off the GCD[...] Also... regen is cheap, but not free, and it's easy to waste mp putting it on people that don't need it.

Which is why I think Regen needs to be reworked, since it appears to me to be less viable than it should be.

If too many classes can manage their tp/mp too well, support spells become less useful, and costly spells become trivial[...] If anything I would argue that WHM are in a good place and SCH/SMN are perhaps too well off.

It's often WHM soaking up Mage's Ballad while the TP classes roll their eyes because they won't be getting Army's Paean.

[sharazisspecial]

Regen isn't that cheap. Sure it is on paper mana for overall potency is good.
However since it needs quite few ticks to beat cure and costs more mana then cure to begin with. It can often be a waste .
Normally if someone takes damage they will be healed with cure+physick+embrace . which is 2650hp healing for only 133 of your mana. The sch can add more embrace to the target to top them to full.
For regen to actually be worth it mana wise it needs to tick 3-4 times out of 7. It will take 9-12 seconds. If you really wanted to save mana you could either just cure once and let the sch heal them or even just let the sch do all the work and top them up with physick +multiple embrace. If the damage is no way putting the target at immediate risk that regen will tick them to full safely, then the sch could even just top them to full for free...

Regen is a decent preemptive healing spell. But cure spam is very sustainable mana wise due to it procing free cure and its mana cost being close to our mp3.

Regen does works alot better with double whm though! They merge together to heal like 700 every 3 seconds.

[Hitome]

Have you not experienced TT just one shotting paladin tanks from full hp? Warrior tanks also take dangerous amounts of damage too.

They aren't one shot. They are auto attacked after they are hit by a high damage death sentence.

Please read the rest of the sentence and stop cherry picking. My question was: how are you so useless that you are letting your tank be one shot with tools like EFaE, virus, and stoneskin?

Our tanks haven't had to deal with that issue since our first clear a month ago when we were learning the fight.

[sharazisspecial]

Tanks don't get one shot now for me either. Because i use stone skin before they get death sentenced, they use their cooldowns quite well and their hp is much higher too.
Tank getting killed after DS can happen if i am not paying proper attention when my sch is trapped especially if my cds are down. As a whm my tools for death sentence are quite inferior to sch. I am whm main, I have done the as SCH tool both so i know the difference. Sch have it way easier then whm does. Not only does Sch not even need to time anything =/ .Their "stoneskin" is much quicker and half a heal which is ideal,since it lets them both top up and apply the shield at the same time. Their EFaE is shorter cooldown too and should have a lustrate for each death sentence to guarantee survival.
I don't go sch because my group doesn't like to move around during conflag phase and prefers me to heal through it lol . My sch says he wants to relax and not have to time eos aoe regen spell with me either.

Though both healers have tools that are enough for all fights. Aoe and single. I wouldn't mind an adjustment to bump up Sch's aoe healing a little bit and whm's tank healing and mana efficiency a bit. Something like a 200potency succor and an aoe heal attached to sacred soil. For whm benediction something like 2min cd 75% hp and PoM turning into 1min cd swiftmend ... basically a healing "fester" which heals target for full duration of regen on them and consumes the regen effect (25% to leave the regen intact!).

They aren't one shot. They are auto attacked after they are hit by a high damage death sentence.

Our tanks haven't had to deal with that issue since our first clear a month ago when we were learning the fight.

I am not controlling everyone's cooldown like puppets ,i am not barking orders at people and try harding about a fight we have beaten around 9 times i think it is? When we do Turn 5 every week we go in have a laugh, may wipes a few times due to error but we kill her after around 0-5 attempts. Our blm aren't even paying attention to death sentence rotation lol so they use their cooldowns at wrong times if at all lol >_>. People are talking and joking with others about things not even related to the fight too .
When some serious content comes then we may start to do the fight more seriously...