Can the PC players give the PS3 players a break a little?

[Mihana]

I don't really care what platform someone plays on, I can be patient whether you need time to watch your CS or take a few extra seconds to do something. It's all about if you act like an a-hole or refuse to listen to the party's instructions in my eyes.

[Avalon_Albrook]

*lots of hypocritical nonsense*

So you're not a PC elitist saying consoles are dragging down these games, then say consoles are dragging down this game. You say you don't care if anyone plays using a gamepad, but you totally care if anyone plays on a gamepad because to you it's an automatic handicap. And so on, and so on. Girl, you're a contradictory mess, and you sound like you don't know what the hell you're talking about with the example you use. Like a tank on a gamepad who can't play because of all the macros to make up for the "overly cumbersome gamepad controls". If that's how you've seen someone legitimately try to tank (and you were told everything about his setup so that you weren't just assuming crap to fit your argument), then they're simply a bad player. My counterexample: my tanking on a gamepad is quite effortless and macro-free (aside from my in-party notice when I pop Hallowed Ground that says "IN SOVIET RUSSIA, GROUND HALLOWS YOU"), thank you. I made sure it would be as effortless as possible for me because I -- gasp -- customized everything about my layout and hotbars to optimize my performance.

A bad player is a bad player is a bad player. Give them a mouse/keyboard, gamepad, joystick, pong knob, whatever -- they will be a bad player regardless of method. Get over yourself.

[Keiichi81]

*lots of ignorant feel-good garbage*

I'm not being hypocritical in the least.

Is the PC the end-all-be-all of gaming systems and is always better for gaming than consoles no matter what? No. Is designing a modern MMO to fit within the confines of an 8 year old system with 256MB of RAM going to severely limit the development path of that title and negatively affect the end experience of PC and PS4 players? Yes, absolutely. No hypocrisy there. I can accept that all platforms have their place while also recognizing that the PS3 is a poor fit for FFXIV, especially with the PS4 right around the corner at the time of it's release.

Are there players who are proficient with a gamepad and can keep up in the most demanding of content? Yes, of course. Does that mean that gamepad controls aren't a handicap? No, don't be silly. No hypocrisy there either. Just because there's someone out there who can win an Olympic sprint with 2 prosthetic legs doesn't mean that being a paraplegic isn't a handicap. It just means that some people are capable of overcoming that handicap. I'm sorry, but needing to press 2, 3, 4 or more buttons in various combinations to navigate the crossbars and activate an ability is a handicap compared to a method that requires you to only push 1 key. A control method that forces you to scroll through a list in order to select the desired target is a handicap compared to a control method that allows you to click on your target directly. A control method that takes several seconds to rotate your camera 360 degrees is a handicap compared to a method that let's you snap your camera 90, 180, 240 degrees or any direction in between instantly. There is no avoiding this. Hence why I say that the gamepad is a handicap. Maybe you personally are good enough that you're tanking Turn 5 and Garuda EX with your gamepad no problem. Good for you if you are. Congrats on winning that Olympic medal. But don't go around telling people that they should chop off their feet because prosthetics are totally every bit as good as flesh and blood legs.

[LunarEmerald]

A bad player is a bad player regardless what system they're using.

Nobody is bad just because they're using either a PS3 or PC. They're bad because they're bad.

[Avalon_Albrook]

I'm not being hypocritical in the least. *snip*

If you say you don't have a problem with something and then list all the problems you have with that thing, you're being hypocritical. And more LOL at you comparing using a controller to having your limbs removed and trying to run with prosthetics.

[ispano]

If you say you don't have a problem with something and then list all the problems you have with that thing, you're being hypocritical. And more LOL at you comparing using a controller to having your limbs removed and trying to run with prosthetics.

You should likely look up what Hypocritical means. Because nothing in Keiichi's post points to that. The things he is saying, they're correct. His comparison, while it will make people say things like you did, actually is somewhat valid. You just choose to ignore it, because you refuse to see the truth in it.

Not to mention, you miss the point of the analogy in the first place. He's not comparing controllers to prosthetic legs, he's comparing a handicap to another handicap.

[Avalon_Albrook]

There is no truth. There is opinion on this based on play style. I find keyboard/mouse usage cumbersome and am most effective using a controller. For me, keyboard/mouse play is a handicap. For others, it's obviously not. My truth is not the world's truth -- therefore, it's an opinion, and not one with which I condescend to anyone. To suggest that using a controller automatically gimps you as a general rule is crap and will always be crap.

[Naberrie]

It depends on the player and what they're comfortable with. I've never been able to get comfortable playing games on a PC. It just feels alien to me. I try it every once in a while and I'm simply uncomfortable doing it, and consequently I suck on that system because of it. But put me in front of a console and I can be successful because it's familiar and comfortable.

[ispano]

There is no truth. There is opinion on this based on play style. I find keyboard/mouse usage cumbersome and am most effective using a controller. For me, keyboard/mouse play is a handicap. For others, it's obviously not. My truth is not the world's truth -- therefore, it's an opinion, and not one with which I condescend to anyone. To suggest that using a controller automatically gimps you as a general rule is crap and will always be crap.

And this is where people like you fail, you assume he's using his personal preference. You have to compare with 0 skill, ie without human influence, which would be better. You could even use equal skill, but with no player involvement one will always be better than the other for a given game. That's where his arguments about handicaps come from.

So no, it's not crap. If a game just simply works better with one control method over another, without taking player skill into account, then yes, one control method WILL be gimp. By how much? That depends on the game and how much it's compensated for.

All you have to do is look at it like this. Say you want to target someone, what do you have to do with each control method? You can't think about how YOU would do it. You have to think which could do it better based on the merits of the device(s) themselves. In this case, a Mouse will do it better.

[Malendroit]

I play on PS3 and have never had anybody question what I'm playing on, thankfully.

The lack of space on the cross hotbar was addressed with the L2+R2 and R2+L2 combination (not completely, but it's better than cycling through several different setups). Being comfortable and familiar with macros helps a lot, imo.

SDD makes a HUGE difference with load times, PC characters in your immediate vicinity, and draw distance. If you can get a cheapy, jump on it.

People shouldn't be concerned about what system you are playing on, only if you are playing your class properly and to the best of your abilities.