Monk new BIS

[Butcherb0y]

Before 2.1 the BiS for mnk feet section was either allagan or melee, it was pretty much which piece u get first. Allagan free vs myth costing, both stats from the main to secondary. Now 2.1 update allagan boot striking secondary stat crit have been change to determination. So my question now is, why allagan boots still BiS, is there some kind of hidden reflect for wearing multiple allagan piece, is better because it's free or is determination somehow better Than crit?

[Rochetm]

Before 2.1 the BiS for mnk feet section was either allagan or melee, it was pretty much which piece u get first. Allagan free vs myth costing, both stats from the main to secondary. Now 2.1 update allagan boot striking secondary stat crit have been change to determination. So my question now is, why allagan boots still BiS, is there some kind of hidden reflect for wearing multiple allagan piece, is better because it's free or is determination somehow better Than crit?

Det is considered by most to be better than crit. I am going to include SE in my "most" there because they budget it way higher on gear. Notice Det tends to be a much lower value than other stats on gear.

[Butcherb0y]

Det is considered by most to be better than crit. I am going to include SE in my "most" there because they budget it way higher on gear. Notice Det tends to be a much lower value than other stats on gear.

Ok with that logic from what you said, deter being so low since it brings so much to dpS, then melee gaskin should be in BiS for legs since it have determination compare to allagan legs having crit. I can see allagan gloves for us for BiS since it have both deter and crit. With that logic also deter>crit, won't dire wolf Shirt of Striking be better for body since it have determination of 24. Sry for somewhat of a noob question, I'd just like to know how much or what number s needed to make one stat good. I know that str eats all fallowed by acc till u hit cap.

[Butcherb0y]

Okcorrection on the leg piece for BiS. Melee gaskin is there.

[Allyrion]

Ok with that logic from what you said, deter being so low since it brings so much to dpS, then melee gaskin should be in BiS for legs since it have determination compare to allagan legs having crit. I can see allagan gloves for us for BiS since it have both deter and crit. With that logic also deter>crit, won't dire wolf Shirt of Striking be better for body since it have determination of 24. Sry for somewhat of a noob question, I'd just like to know how much or what number s needed to make one stat good. I know that str eats all fallowed by acc till u hit cap.

Yes, you're right. Most BiS uses the Melee Gaskins over the Allagan.
What Rochetm said is true but it also proves that det is not that much better than crit. You can't compare crit and determination point for point because you will never get as much det as you will get crit.
In other words, Det isn't so much better than crit because you will always get less of it. I still favour it, but the difference isn't very big.

The Direwolf Shirt gives 24 Det. Great, but the Morale is worthless.
The Allagan Cuirass gives 34 Crit and 24 Acc. 34 crit is worth the same as 24 determination, give or take. 24 Acc is very valuable.
Even the Melee chest is better because 34 accuracy + 24 Skill Speed is worth a lot more than 24 Det by itself.

So get Determination if you can, but BiS is usually more concerned with minimizing Skill Speed.
Crit or Det are fairly interchangeable, but Bootshine (auto-crit) and even Internal Release (to some extent) means that Det is favourable over the two.

[Butcherb0y]

Yeah the moral does nothing for pve so lossing th acc is bad if your not cap at determination which brings another piece to the table to may b bring u to cap or close to it and that piece would b the melee gloves, combine that with dire wolf body to compensate of the lost acc. Acc is only good till u hit the cap from my understanding, anything more than the minimum requirement is a waste of gear slot. Sry not trying to argue, I'm not good with numbers, I just like to know why a lot of the mnk community believe that the said 3 BiS set above is good.

[monkguy]

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LH6A
my opinion on best balance for the average joe; because lets face it, only a handful of posters here have or will see the end of turn 5.

@ Allyrion

dont forget about the fuma one, it's statistically stronger than melee, and far easier to obtain than a turn 5 drop some monks may never see.

[Rochetm]

dont forget about the fuma one, it's statistically stronger than melee, and far easier to obtain than a turn 5 drop some monks may never see.

Fuma is low on str vs melee. Sadly primary starts are worth way more than secondary stats.

Always keep in mind that BiS does not mean the absolute best item for that specific slot but all the slots combined. If you where to BiS each piece whithout looking at the entire setup you would be using mostly Allagan. You would also be missing a lot of acc and that would be bad.

Weapon damage >>>>>>>>>>>>> STR/ACC cap >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DET/CRIT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SS

Why?

Damage formulas put weapon damage ahead of Str by about the same amount that Str is ahead of det/crit... its that good. ACC is important because every miss is a massive loss in dps, risk of buff/debuff loss, and really annoying to deal with. Determination is over crit even though you don't get as much of it because we one ability that always crits and a cooldown with high uptime that greatly increases our crit... in other words crit doesn't effect everything we do and Det does.

SS has a couple problems. One is that it doesn't effect auto attacks which are a good deal of damage for us. Another is that it increases the rate at which we burn through our TP which can lead to other problems. There are fights like Ifrit HM where SS is pretty good because of the constant resetting of GL but I am not going to make a set of gear heavy on SS for very rare fights where it isn't the worst stat.

[monkguy]

Fuma is low on str vs melee. Sadly primary starts are worth way more than secondary stats.

except in this case, the secondary stats are so much better than the little bit of extra strength melee offers that it literally is statistically stronger. here is dancing mad's calculator using my set up and then switching to melee:
http://imgur.com/33XivrU

it literally is a worse armor. i don't need a lecture on how stats work, as i've taken it into account.

[Nash20]

Fuma body is definitely a nice stop gap if you do intend on clearing T5 while using Myth to fill out other slots. Though I totally agree it is best to stack as much Str as possible the difference between Melee and Fuma is what? 4

Looking at that, that's basically a racial difference. Say between Keepers and Seekers, the Str difference is 3...so if you see a Miquote that's a Keeper...you aren't going to look down on em for missing 3 Str are ya?

Basically if you intend on clearing T5, I would go Fuma...fill out Myth in other slots first. Like monkguy said, Fuma is exponentially easier to obtain than Allagan and faster than saving for myth.

Just my 2 cents.