Please take Castrum Meridianum and The Praetorium off the roulette.

[Maero]

Sadly for the reason of angered df people i have barely even watched 1 cutscene.
And watching in the inn does not feel the same, it would be better in the moment

[BobbinT]

Regardless of how a single person wants to experience the game, it's still rude to expect people to wait up on you. Not everyone has the luxury of waiting around for people, I've been in parties with plenty of people who mention they do their daily before going to work or school or what have you, and thus want to get it done fast. And this is fine. You just need to expect speedruns now. It's very easy to aeither use party finder to find people who want to experience the story within the dungeon, or to just state to a DR/DF party that it's your first time and you want to watch the cutscenes, and see if they'll let you or not.

Expecting a group of strangers to wait up on you if you don't say anything about it is extremely rude, as they literally have no obligation to. At the very least, letting people know your intentions for the run helps to know if you should find a new party or will be okay with the one you're currently in. It isn't that hard.

Not sure I agree with that. If I happen to experience this 1st time, do I even know if the other are already done this long time ago, wanting to speed it up and skip cs?
I think most players new to this are in awe with the story cs & lore before they even knew that this might cost other player's patience.

So generally, other players beside this new one who wanted to enjoy story cs for 1st time should excuse themselves and give others the benefit of patience, don't you think?

As for reasons like having our daily IRL tasks like school or work, I think we all should have realize the consequences of time especially when playing MMO. So again, it is not new player's fault if they want to enjoy cs.

[Kevin949]

If I may add something, I noticed that roulette in general makes levelling experience through dungeons worse. When I levelled with my main, it was all low level people fighting their way the same, learning their class, learning the mechanics, and it was enjoyable. Sure, there also was the factor of game just launched and everybody being new that helped, but that's another thing. Fact is, a high level running a dungeon for roulette, only does it for the reward, and so tries to hurry the run, gets impatient and everything, not letting someone who's effectively attuned to that level enjoy it as it should be. I find it quite frustrating.
So I don't think the problem is for CM and PT only, but for any dungeon you have roulette people in. Just, the other dungeons had faseable queues alrady without it.

I have experienced quite the opposite in my roulette runs, the higher level people are much more forgiving and understanding of the newer players. I was in a run the other day where our tank had never done a dungeon run ever, his/her very first one. S/he had a hard time of it and was very much new but not one of the three of us complained or griped or got upset at this person. Instead we simply gave some pointers and advice and let them loose on whatever they wanted to do.
It also doesn't hurt that being scaled down from such a high level makes you much stronger than the average toon running the dungeon, thus being able to take/give a little more punishment and it makes the runs a bit more forgiving in light of the lack of experience from any newer member. Roulette groups have run dungeons much faster and smoother and generally are much nicer than other PUG's or party finder groups, in my experience.

[Kevin949]

Regardless of how a single person wants to experience the game, it's still rude to expect people to wait up on you. Not everyone has the luxury of waiting around for people, I've been in parties with plenty of people who mention they do their daily before going to work or school or what have you, and thus want to get it done fast. And this is fine. You just need to expect speedruns now. It's very easy to either use party finder to find people who want to experience the story within the dungeon, or to just state to a DR/DF party that it's your first time and you want to watch the cutscenes, and see if they'll let you or not.

Expecting a group of strangers to wait up on you if you don't say anything about it is extremely rude, as they literally have no obligation to. At the very least, letting people know your intentions for the run helps to know if you should find a new party or will be okay with the one you're currently in. It isn't that hard.

You realize your entire argument can also be made against you, right? If these people do their daily runs before work/school and need to gogogo then maybe they should plan their time better, or find another time to do it, or asked to be kicked to re-queue. The patient do not need to cater to the impatient nor does the impatient need to cater to the patient. Neither side is right or wrong in this but going into story mode quests, you better expect that people will be watching cut scenes. I don't get mad at people in a bookstore reading books and tell them "Just go read it in your room!".

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

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If the majority of the party is there for their daily run and not to sit around watching cutscenes, then it's rude for the one or two people who ARE there to watch the scenes to ask them to wait.

The reverse is also true, if the majority of people in the party are there to watch the story/don't mind watching the scenes, then the one or two people who don't want to do that are rude for expecting everyone to speedrun. It goes both ways. Letting everyone know your intentions for the run at the beginning will save a lot of time and annoyance for both sides of the coin. Doing this is not that hard nor is it asking too much of people.

Or yknow, use the Party Finder.

[Shirai]

Bullshit! If you don't have time to play you shouldn't even queue up.

As I said before, you are doing storycontent either for needing it, or to help people get through it.
Storycontent does not give Mythology and there are far more efficient ways to farm Philosophy, especially when dealing with people new to a (story) dungeon.

So either join up to help these people enjoy their last storymissions or queue up

Or yknow, use the Party Finder.

for some AK or WP (speed)runs.
But don't go ruin the day of the couple of people trying to do their story quests.

Thankfully I never had the "privilege" to run with selfish bastards like you and the ones helping me and the party let us enjoy our cutscenes and the fights.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Storycontent does not give Mythology and there are far more efficient ways to farm Philosophy, especially when dealing with people new to a (story) dungeon.

To be fair, a single CM or Prae takes far less time for far more tomes than AK or WP does, in my experience. Thus why I only bother with those two when I need philo tomes (also because I love Ultima fight in Prae).

[Shirai]

Do pray you will never find me in a party with you, because I will opt a vote kick on anyone that even suggests newbies to skip cutscenes.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Do pray you will never find me in a party with you, because I will opt a vote kick on anyone that even suggests newbies to skip cutscenes.

Considering most parties I end up in are 90% speedrunners, you have fun with that. Personally, I prefer speedruns. However if I do end up in a party with more people wanting to watch cutscenes than not, then it doesn't bother me. It's just when pretty much all but one or two people in the party are there for speedruns do I find it rude for those one/two people to ask everyone to wait on them.

[Caraway]

Regardless of how a single person wants to experience the game, it's still rude to expect people to wait up on you. Not everyone has the luxury of waiting around for people, I've been in parties with plenty of people who mention they do their daily before going to work or school or what have you, and thus want to get it done fast. And this is fine. You just need to expect speedruns now. It's very easy to either use party finder to find people who want to experience the story within the dungeon, or to just state to a DR/DF party that it's your first time and you want to watch the cutscenes, and see if they'll let you or not.

Expecting a group of strangers to wait up on you if you don't say anything about it is extremely rude, as they literally have no obligation to. At the very least, letting people know your intentions for the run helps to know if you should find a new party or will be okay with the one you're currently in. It isn't that hard.

I'm sorry but this is retarded. The Duty Finder explicitly says how much time a dungeon can take. So if you queue up for it without that amount of time available to you then you are at fault and are potentially ruining other people's enjoyment of what is actually a wonderfully crafted dungeon experience.

It's fine to schedule your Duty Roulette in when there's time available but don't do so expecting it to be a flawless Gogogorush run when you're time limited. That's poor time management right there.

If the majority of the party is there for their daily run and not to sit around watching cutscenes, then it's rude for the one or two people who ARE there to watch the scenes to ask them to wait.

The reverse is also true, if the majority of people in the party are there to watch the story/don't mind watching the scenes, then the one or two people who don't want to do that are rude for expecting everyone to speedrun. It goes both ways. Letting everyone know your intentions for the run at the beginning will save a lot of time and annoyance for both sides of the coin. Doing this is not that hard nor is it asking too much of people.

Or yknow, use the Party Finder.

Here's something you 'speedrunners' don't seem to actually understand about the Duty Roulette: there will always be at least one person who's queued for it specifically for you to actually get a run through.

That's the point. You're there to help that person go through the dungeon because they specifically queued for it. You getting those extra tomes is a bonus to say "Thank you" for being a nice person and helping.

And besides, the cutscenes don't add that much extra time to the dungeon run especially when you have people who are used to the mechanics going through it. Castrum's is barely a couple of minutes. Prae is admittedly more cutscene heavy but it is the final dungeon of the story. It's the culmination of all of your work through 50 levels on dealing with this threat to the world.

And you want to take that away from someone because you think you're entitled to getting a few more tomestones (which are ridiculously easy to get and are ultimately worthless compared to what you get at stuff that's actually appropriate for you) faster?

You're the reason MMOs have gone to hell.