Make FFXIV more like FFXI and less like WoW

[Obysuca]

Um, no?

It's the hardcores that blow through everything (no matter how much content devs are capable of pushing out per update) and start whining and moaning that there's nothing to do because they feel like they already finished the game, and thus unsubscribe. Casuals are definitely the ones that keep MMORPGs going.

Um, no?

Casual's are the people who log on for 1-3 hours a day and usually not even everyday or the people who play for a week or so, then either quit, "take a break" or hit the cap and stop playing. Even if the hardcore people blow through content, they still stick around, no matter how much they complain. The casuals are the ones who unsubscribe more often than hardcore, for various reasons like, not enough time or something.

Speaking of the people who quit because they don't have enough time and stuff. They're what's killing mmos by whining and complaining that stuff takes too long resulting in them dumbing down content to where its so easy, a caveman could do it. Tbh, if you can't put effort/time into a mmo, I really don't think you should be playing it until you can manage time better or at least stop complaining for them to make it easier, ruining the game for the people who actually like time consuming, effort requiring games. It's mean, but it's true.

MMOs aren't meant to be picked up and played like a single player game.

[MACEenyo]

This again? FFXI sucked, let's move past it.

You suck, and I do not agree with you.

[Obysuca]

You suck, and I do not agree with you.

I've come to the conclusion that those people who say XI sucked either

A) couldn't get into it because they grew up with mmos like WoW

B) never said a word and couldn't build any friendships/bonds to get people to do things with them

C) just plain sucked (yeah there were those lol a hell of a lot rarer than you see on mmos these days, where the majority suck because of spoon fed content)

D) never had any of the good experiences, probably didn't read the storyline and/or tried to solo everything then got mad when they actually had to work with people, which is what a mmo should be

[Vandark]

Um, no?

It's the hardcores that blow through everything (no matter how much content devs are capable of pushing out per update) and start whining and moaning that there's nothing to do because they feel like they already finished the game, and thus unsubscribe. Casuals are definitely the ones that keep MMORPGs going.

In a good Final Fantasy MMO you would never run out of things to do no matter how hardcore you think you are there was always something more because you didn't earn everything in one week.

[Canddi]

To be fair to those people it was not newbie friendly AT ALL. If you gave up on the steep learning curve before meeting people to show you the ropes I could understand how people would think it sucked. For myself I would love to go back to 75cap FFXI. Good times....

[Obysuca]

Yeah right, you've clearly never played a Final Fantasy MMO and ARR doesn't count, in the state it's in ARR isn't a legit FF-MMO.
In a good Final Fantasy MMO you would never run out of things to do no matter how hardcore you think you are there was always something more because you didn't earn everything in one week.

I never ran out of things to do in XI, at least until a little after aby when you could actually get everything in a week :/

[Ri_ri]

Except casuals don't stick around anyway they move onto the next best game when it comes out and when that happens FF14 will die off faster than you can say WTF HAPPENED and there won't be any real MMO players around to keep it alive because SE is pushing us away.

Sorry, this argument is invalid since WoW Cataclysm. Make a expansion for the hardcores: game loses 25% of their total subscribers, after a steady grow of the playerbase.

[Vandark]

Sorry, this argument is invalid since WoW Cataclysm. Make a expansion for the hardcores: game loses 25% of their total subscribers, after a steady grow of the playerbase.

WoW still has 7.7mil+ subs, don't make any content to suit hardcores and you end up like Guild Wars 3, empty and unfulfilled. Plus the main concern players have is lack of verity and lack of content, that doesn't necessarily have to be hardcore content, just more in depth content and re introducing more options for end game.

[Amiantos]

So wait we want this game to be like a game from 10 years ago where said game is still alive yet moved away from what it was because it clearly wasn't working in this day of age? You guys would fit in just fine at SE since you both make boneheaded ideas.

[Vandark]

So wait we want this game to be like a game from 10 years ago where said game is still alive yet moved away from what it was because it clearly wasn't working in this day of age? You guys would fit in just fine at SE since you both make boneheaded ideas.

Why would FFXI work in this day and age the games graphics is ancient history no one new would even look at it or consider it plus the majority of the game isn't even the same as it used to be but when it was at it's peek it was a truly amazing experience that if replicated in today's graphics and with the difficulty toned down to suit the casual also you would have an incredible game.

No one is saying they want FFXIV to be a exactly like XI, just that XI had brilliant content that if put into ARR would defiantly be enjoyable by both casuals and hardcore if implemented correctly.
WoW's dungeons used to be for the Hardcore gamer, dungeons are a style of gameing but FFXIV's dungeon grinding isn't hardcore at all it's suited for casuals. Just because we want more content similar to XI doesn't mean it has to replicate the intense difficulty that XI was, the arguments against the content are always about it's difficulty or hardcore game play but nothing to do with the content it'self.

Even you saying it was forced to move away from what it was because it clearly wasn't working is because of the same issue of difficulty. WoW had to go threw the same stages of toning down there difficulty too. I'm sorry but I somehow doubt FF14 will never be replaced and I don't even think it will last as long as XI did.

If things from XI were introduced to FF14 ARR everyone knows they would be designed to suit everyone not just the hardcore, but hardcore players want more to do there simply isn't enough and content we are familiar with and can relate too is fun.

People with the opinion OH it's old so it must be bad are ether mindless idiots or are seriously lacking in creativity and imagination. If Final Fantasy 7 which is an old title was remade in today's graphics would that be a bad game? Not bloody likely! It would rip the FF13 titles a new one.

WoW is old and had to undergo the same changes you described XI had to, it's an old game now and has been replicated a million times, honestly every MMO apart from XI feels the same as the last with a diff skin, it's like I'm playing the same game over and over again.

How is that a good direction for MMO's? It's defiantly not the direction I want for ARR.

If Square Enix won't even keep what separates them from the competition then I would hate to see the end result of that.
The next MMO that is created to be played in a completely new way that has 100% original ideas and provides a new world wide gaming experience, that will be the next huge hit.
THAT is evolution in gaming!
FFXIV-ARR may not be that "original" game BUT by combining the best from XI and the new style of content they have now they can at least create a world that has more to offer that suits a larger audience.