White Mage is Poorly designed compared to Scholar

[Segata]

I find the devs buffing lustrate and fairy in 2.1 while nerfing medica 2 just shows how out of touch they are with the current status of the classes. Well, at least I find myself using cure 3 a lot more.. I almost never use medica unless I have to. Since theres so much stacking on extreme primals cure 3 is pretty nice now, but who knows with future content...

Devs, if you give whitemage some more utility or support (Unique raid buffs etc...) people would be complaining a lot less and you wouldn't have to buff our healing. Scholar is a superior healer and brings selene to the table, what do we have? (lol enhanced protect)

We used to be the kings of aoe healing but you're destroying even that, whats up guys?

[Sebazy]

Anyway rouse whispering dawn is ticking more then twice as strong as medica 2. Over 24 seconds it will heal more then divine seal cure 3.

And is on a minute cooldown, and potentially means giving up selene buffs (Which are a much more convincing bullet point for arguing sch superiority if you ask me).

Cure 3 requires timing,surecast and needs to be used on people who are within range.

If the fireball hit them, cure III will too, cure III is a little bigger than the fireball AE as of 2.1. Surecast is only needed if your group is getting hit, and once you get the timing down (much like timing cure IIs/adloqs between death sentence hitting and infirmity taking effect) you don't actually need it either way. And also of note, letting the whm deal with it means the sch is free to have selene out for some of that aforementioned free dps goodness.

How is rouse>dawn harder then cure 3 timing?

Minute long cooldown, ~25-30 second mechanic.

[sharazisspecial]

Devs, if you give whitemage some more utility or support (Unique raid buffs etc...) people would be complaining a lot less and you wouldn't have to buff our healing. Scholar is a superior healer and brings selene to the table, what do we have? (lol enhanced protect)

This is what i want devs to do. Remove presence of mind and give us a utility spell.

Minute long cooldown

Now affected by spell speed btw. Gives it more uptime if you are double sch.

And is on a minute cooldown, and potentially means giving up selene buffs (Which are a much more convincing bullet point for arguing sch superiority if you ask me).

I agree with you about sch buffs being good. Especially for blm, they love spell speed and their cast times can be long.

But dawn is just a option for aoe healing that you have available. You dont need it on TT though but you dont need selene buffs for anything either . Alot of stuff requires you to slow down on dps lol.
TT conflag during dive bomb phase and Titan ex jails during jump...

[Royze]

Does WHM's DPS count for anything?
I mean, 450-700 Stone II's being pumped out every 2 seconds is kinda broken. I think a decent WHM might be a better DPS than most BLMs.

[sharazisspecial]

Does WHM's DPS count for anything?
I mean, 450-700 Stone II's being pumped out every 2 seconds is kinda broken. I think a decent WHM might be a better DPS than most BLMs.

Sch single target dps is higher. You are underestimating blm dps too lol.
I try to dps as much as i can as whm but i will go oom doing so.

Dps contributed during easy portions of the fight is not worth as much generally due to how SE have designed fights. There are exceptions.

There is no ilvl80+ mind+acc gear. Whm and sch will miss most of their spells in coil and higher turns. Bio and Bio2 are exceptions to the acc rule, they never miss.

[Sebazy]

Sch is also dramatically more efficient at single target dps.

Whm DPS only really comes into play on low HP packs where Bane (oops, not fester!) is too slow to get going (e.g. garuda ex feathers) or simply doesn't hit enough targets (e.g. WP Speed runs)

[Eriane]

I'm starting to wonder if a whm took your candy as a child or something!

I love playing my whm, I find it more fun than sch. I just think it needs a little love.

[Hitome]

And is on a minute cooldown, and potentially means giving up selene buffs (Which are a much more convincing bullet point for arguing sch superiority if you ask me).

Selene is garbage: especially after 2.1. There is no fight that requires me to use whispering dawn and a rouse more often than the CD is up. Fey illumination + succor make up for it if there is. Fey covenant is insane. Having Eos macroed to every one of my heals is also insane. I'm really quite tired of SCHs who advocate this huge DPS increase (that isn't actually there) by giving classes spell speed and skill speed.

There was absolutely no reason to nerf medica 2 other than to make cure 3 used more often. It was what WHMs did best: huge burst healing when needed because healers were learning fights/you weren't necessarily planning in advance for what happened next.

Now that most healers have experienced all the fights and strategies are well known, jobs that are rewarded for planning in advance are more sought after than those for "Oh shi-" moments. I've never once seen a WHM sought after to solo heal something like Garuda or Titan Ex: always SCH.

The very least they could do is make spell speed help with some of your buffs like regen.

[dragonflyseksparade]

Sch is also dramatically more efficient at single target dps.

Whm DPS only really comes into play on low HP packs where fester is too slow to get going (e.g. garuda ex feathers) or simply doesn't hit enough targets (e.g. WP Speed runs)

fester? he is right about whm dps. stone2 spam is roughly 200dps in cleric stance. aero1/2 will increase that as well.

[Sebazy]

fester? he is right about whm dps. stone2 spam is roughly 200dps in cleric stance. aero1/2 will increase that as well.

Oops, bane rather!

Amusingly, simply walking into melee range and auto attacking adds more dps than mixing in aero1/2 as far as dummies goes. Also note you'll only get that 200 dps for 4 minutes or so.