Thrill of Battle

[Leiron]

Its actually a significant gap. A person using M+K can get to someone instantly.
Th one using a gamepad needs to tab, so there is a significant delay.
Having to take more than a second to select someone for a heal is an eternity.

[Zoomie]

Having to take more than a second to select someone for a heal is an eternity.

This. ^^^^

Rumor has it ToB isn't used to mitigate damage... wait what were we talking about?

[Soulburn32]

Just because you guys don't understand how to Tab more quickly doesn't mean it takes 2-3 seconds to target someone.

IDK why I even bother with you people. If anyone remotely tries to offer something other than your pre-determined point of views they are 100% wrong.

[whiskeybravo]

Its actually a significant gap. A person using M+K can get to someone instantly.
Th one using a gamepad needs to tab, so there is a significant delay.
Having to take more than a second to select someone for a heal is an eternity.

Targeting enemies? Yes. Healing? No. Up/Down Dpad only selects party members, it's easy as pie for healing. Does not work well outside of parties though. The most constantly annoying problem with controller is selecting enemies. Like trying to pick out the war/pld mogs on moogle king fight. Or trying to select a specific enemy during first few CT mobs. I've never yelled at my TV while healing, only while tanking lol

[Zoomie]

Just because you guys don't understand how to Tab more quickly doesn't mean it takes 2-3 seconds to target someone.

IDK why I even bother with you people. If anyone remotely tries to offer something other than your pre-determined point of views they are 100% wrong.

No one said it takes 2-3 seconds. Someone actually said even if it one second its an eternity. Which is true...

I'm not saying that console is terrible or unusable or that we should tar and feather all console players. What I am saying, and you seem to disagree with, is that M+K is more effective in every scenario as every role. By a small margin, by a huge margin, doesn't matter... My point is that M+K is better and you simply cannot argue against that. Its a fact. Sorry.

[Zoomie]

Targeting enemies? Yes. Healing? No. Up/Down Dpad only selects party members, it's easy as pie for healing. Does not work well outside of parties though.

Regardless... its not as fast as M+K which is my/leiron's point. In a 4 man its probably really close, to bad 4 man content isn't even worth discussing as none of it is even remotely relevant in terms of difficult as soon as a couple weeks after hitting 50. The more people there are in a group the wider the gap between console and M+K. Alliance size progression content will be an entire new challenge for console players. Can you imagine trying to use cover on 1 of any of the 23 other people in your party in an instant?

What this all spawned from is someone saying that console players were all lazy and shouldn't play the game. I completely disagree with that POV and voiced my thoughts that while M+K is better but console is far from this cardinal sin that someone was painting it to be. Then people started arguing that console is on par with M+K which simply isn't the case. Regardless of how you guys want to phrase it, regardless of all the, "what if bruce lee is using a PS3??" scenarios... it just isn't.

Use console, love console, argue that console is viable, that's all fine. But don't compare it to M+K.

[Gandora]

No, the poison is bads like you.

Kitru might be pedantic, but in this case he's entirely correct about the difference between eHP and mitigation. Any tank seeking to better understand their CDs and ideal use should be concerned about the difference and apply that knowledge to in-game situations (including group tactics) to gain an advantage.

And seriously, GFY on the "convenience" argument BS. You can say it's not laziness, but it 100% is. Using a controller for battle content in an MMO is lazy. Period. Being lazy is okay, just own up to it and don't pretend you're something you're not.

You call someone lazy when you don't take the time to read properly and bad when it seems you don't understand the macros benefit properly.

There is absolutely nothing wrong/lazy about using an Xbox controler on a PC, its a matter of preference and personal confort. One might not be as good as one other when it is about using a keyboard. Does not mean the controler user is lazy.

Now about thrill of battle, you use it when you're about to take a big slap in the face to cop with the damage, lets say mountain buster, how is it lazy to make a temp macro combining thrill of Battle & convalescence together to EASE your mage(s) duty? You need to press one button less for sure, but it allow you to do more, set more abilities to be more efficient on time and drop your chance of pressing the wrong button in the event.

I have been reading your past arguments and most of them are short come, so please before calling someone bad & lazy, bring something constructive on the table, you know something that would rather help people's gameplay since you're so smart.

Maybe you're too lazy to look into the macros & make your own?

For the comment about Kitru you said it he's pedentic, but there is more then that, he alway need to argue about pointless things with huge walls of text untill people actualy give up because of headach, he also belive himself that his wall of texts make him look smart.

So stop trolling now, you talk about being as efficient as possible in a MMO, yet it seems you're totaly ignorant on the said subject.

And for your info, I use my keyboard as well and swap betwin both depending situation. This is closer to max efficiency than all your barking.

[whiskeybravo]

I guess using a TV remote is lazy too. Let's all go back to the 50s and ditch remote controls, I need more exercise anyways :P

[Traek]

I guess using a TV remote is lazy too. Let's all go back to the 50s and ditch remote controls, I need more exercise anyways :P

I wouldn't mind FFXIV powered by treadmill. The Thanksgiving/Christmas/NewYears food has been non stop! Time to get back on exercise schedule. x.X

On the actual subject, I enjoy ToB. As people are saying it is a good tac-on skill. Convalescence is the obvious pairing when used as its own cool down. I like to use it when I know a healer is moving or dealing with other problems while I know a big hit is coming. It can be paired with IB pretty well in those cases for a *that tickled* moment. Things like Mountain Buster, Rotoswipe, Hoodswipe, and Death Sentence all come to mind for regular use.

It doesn't have that amazing feel to it, but the nice thing about it is that it is a forgiving CD. For instance, if you know a large hit is coming but you miss time a IB, you can pop it quick and easy before the hit still lands. Or perhaps you miss read a Titan EX rotation, well you'll still easily survive the follow up hits if you pop after the Mountain Buster. It has both "oh crap" button elements, and a "I got dis" elements.

Foresight needs work. /sigh

[Gandora]

On the actual subject, I enjoy ToB. As people are saying it is a good tac-on skill. Convalescence is the obvious pairing when used as its own cool down.

Plus nothing stop you to include said foresight or vengeance in the macro, to increase efficiency depending the situation.

Oh wait guys, we're being lazy again!