If you are a WHM without Swiftcast, you are holding back your team at endgame

[Doo]

no, healers are not supposed to ensure their groups win by covering for the failures of their group no matter how much you want this to be true

Yeah that's more of a definition of team play rather than healer role. Players are suppose to help each other out and do everything they can to help the team win. Like if a dd or healer accidentally aggros a boss, it's not the tanks role to get the add of them cuz the other players messed up but it would be a nice team play gesture.

[Shizato]

Yeah that's more of a definition of team play rather than healer role. Players are suppose to help each other out and do everything they can to help the team win.

no, team play IS NOT covering for each others failures to ensure a win - team play IS not failing your team in order to secure a win - is it OK to cover for each others failures to ensure a win? of course, just like charity is OK but you dont expect nor require charity, either...

[Doo]

no, team play IS NOT covering for each others failures to ensure a win - team play IS not failing your team in order to secure a win - is it OK to cover for each others failures to ensure a win? of course, just like charity is OK but you dont expect nor require charity, either...

Doesn't makes sense at all I'm sure you die often before during the learning process and you wouldn't call it charity.

[Shizato]

Doesn't makes sense at all I'm sure you die often before during the learning process and you wouldn't call it charity.

yes, the player who resses me when i fail to dodge and die is covering for my failure, and if we win its because of their charity, but if we lose when they dont res me its because of me failing to dodge and dying...

its really simple, i assure you...

[Doo]

yes, the player who resses me when i fail to dodge and die is covering for my failure, and if we win its because of their charity, but if we lose when they dont res me its because of me failing to dodge and dying...

its really simple, i assure you...

It's simple because it's some messed up logic.

[Artemiz]

yes, the player who resses me when i fail to dodge and die is covering for my failure, and if we win its because of their charity, but if we lose when they dont res me its because of me failing to dodge and dying...

its really simple, i assure you...

I just can't understand this twisted elitism, what you're saying is it's perfectly ok for you to not do the easy thing (FATE's/low level dungeons) to get Swiftcast but to make up for that everyone else has to be flawless at all times, everytime even in the toughest content.

Consider my melon twisted.

Also doing your job is not charity, it's ya know, doing your job.

[Amyas]

Yeah that's more of a definition of team play rather than healer role. Players are suppose to help each other out and do everything they can to help the team win. Like if a dd or healer accidentally aggros a boss, it's not the tanks role to get the add of them cuz the other players messed up but it would be a nice team play gesture.

Just put it on ignore, this one isn't interested in conversations as to why a healer would want SC. It just wants to be bad while thinking its good with its own form of elitism.
Again, the mental gymnastics baddies go through to be 'right' is astonishing.

[Shizato]

Just put it on ignore, this one isn't interested in conversations as to why a healer would want SC. It just wants to be bad while thinking its good with its own form of elitism.
Again, the mental gymnastics baddies go through to be 'right' is astonishing.

says the player who wants to blame a wipe on someone who ACTUALLY dodged...mk...you go with that then

[Taruranto]

says the player who wants to blame a wipe on someone who ACTUALLY dodged...mk...you go with that then

You know, it's not just the getting hit by a plume that can get you killed. Or it's not just DPS. Sometime you, yourself, the healer get hit by a plume. Or the tank lost hate for a second and the mob oneshotted the poor BLM. Or the tank didn't grab the mob in time during T4 and it oneshotted someone. Oh and, you know Swiftcast is not used only for raise, right? SCHs use it to re-cast the fairy or switch it, WHM can swiftcast Medica II in situation like Ifrit Nails, after Ifrit astral flow or Titan jumps.

[Shizato]

You know, it's not just the getting hit by a plume that can get you killed. Or it's not just DPS. Sometime you, yourself, the healer get hit by a plume. Or the tank lost hate for a second and the mob oneshotted the poor BLM. Or the tank didn't grab the mob in time during T4 and it oneshotted someone. Oh and, you know Swiftcast is not used only for raise, right? SCHs use it to re-cast the fairy or switch it, WHM can swiftcast Medica II in situation like Ifrit Nails, after Ifrit astral flow or Titan jumps.

and NONE of those are the failings of the healer, they are all failings of the DD and the tank, except poor placement of the healers pet, which is the healers failing...using it to insta cast a heal makes it a useful tool for a healer, but not a required one...

the reason SWIFTCAST is on a DD job is because its a DD tool

the reason SWIFTCAST is shared to healers is because its useful to healers

neither of those mean its the healers JOB to use it to cover for you when you fail....