Wanting to trade/sell sleep

[realistic1]

Not to mention the instant cast AoE sleep that BLM can take as a PvP skill. 15 more seconds of sleep and the next sleep is still 15 seconds.

No, this starts out at 10 sec and I believe it counts toward sleep diminishings.

Try all you want to defend it, but it doesn't matter if it can be on both sides of the fight, it's still broken. Crowd control abilities that can turn a 4v4 into a 4v1 for nearly a minute should not go unchecked

If your entire group or even 3 of you are all getting CC’d for a minute, there are much bigger things you and your group should be focused on and worried about with your pvp.

[realistic1]

The point was that BLM does have a lot, and the OP clearly isn't making use of their tools.

Never once did I state that BLMs do not have enough but this is quite subjective isn’t it? The point of my post is that EVERY class has advantages & disadvantages that we can pick apart. Sleep is one ability specific to my class but it is not OP. You might feel fine about your class but if I started claiming one of your primary ability was OP & wanted to nerf or take it away, how would you feel about your class? Now before you answer that, let me suggest that anything other than 'ok' will be viewed as you not thinking you have a lot already or you not making use of your other tools. As stated previously, I would trade my sleep in for any of the abilities I mentioned above from other classes. In fact, I might just be willing to trade it in to not have to listen to all the unjustified whining.

[realistic1]

BLM was probably meant to be a glass cannon and it plays like one.

I agree somewhat with the label (more pve than pvp) and this being one reason we likely have sleep.

As a final note, Sleep doesn't really affect BLMs the same way it does others because BLM is almost always the priority kill target. You CAN chain sleep a BLM but people very rarely do.

One or the other- sleep or kill but you are probably right, I am the kill target a little more than the sleep target. Some matches heals is kill target and I am sleep target, others I am the kill focus. Either way, I have had my share of matches against classes with sleep and have been the focus and do not see an OP issue.

[QCrimson]

wrong thread !

[Rawkzor]

No, this starts out at 10 sec and I believe it counts toward sleep diminishings.

If your entire group or even 3 of you are all getting CC’d for a minute, there are much bigger things you and your group should be focused on and worried about with your pvp.

Multi-wrong. BLM can pop it at the start of a fight, put everyone in range to sleep, and force a group to waste Purify, or wait 10 seconds and watch their teammates die. If you pop Purify, the next sleep on you is 15 seconds. Meaning with both WHM and BLM on a team, they can both Swiftcast sleep/repose to put the healer and another back to sleep for 15 seconds.

[Rawkzor]

Sleep simple does not need to last as long as it does. Half a minute is far too much time for the initial duration of a crowd control effect the prevents all action. No other debuff lasts nearly as long.

[realistic1]

Multi-wrong. BLM can pop it at the start of a fight, put everyone in range to sleep

Wait, so everyone will come running to me in a neat tight group and get in range for me to do this? Awesome! You have mentioned before that BLM's CC's were unfair for sleeping an entire team but I had no clue how you were managing this as it never happens in my matches. My dang uncooperative opponents use LOS, avoid grouping, and watch their distance.

and force a group to waste Purify

Hmmm think this is actually what purify is intended for- sleep and other CCs and effects so not certain I would call it a waste? Or perhaps I am misunderstanding and the waste you are referring to is the fact that your group was forced to use purify early due to running together in a group within range of a sleep wielding class?

If you pop Purify, the next sleep on you is 15 seconds.

Hmmm with swiftcast down and ppl beating on me with stuns and interrupts, likely will be that 10 sec night wing. Oh wait, I forgot that your group is all going to group for me to sleep so I will have zero ppl on me because they all ran mid for me in a nice clump right? Ok, are they all popping purify at the exact same time? If so, I will use night wing first (10 seconds) so that my second sleep is actually 15 seconds- healer has agreed to stay grouped with the rest for sleep correct? As long as they were so kind to all group for sleep, could we also ask that they all use purify at the same time (countdown would be awesome) and stay together so I can resleep the same group mid in the same clump they arranged themselves in for me in the beginning? This would be awesome!

Meaning with both WHM and BLM on a team, they can both Swiftcast sleep/repose to put the healer and another back to sleep for 15 seconds

Wait! Ok, now we have a whm and blm together each time? If I am not mistaken, I already slept your entire neatly arranged group twice so if I am now sleeping just the heals and 1 dps (I am assuming they will agree to stand next to each other for this too and no one will try to silence or stun my long cast), we are down to 7 seconds at the most. Less if I have a whm in my group and they were confused on our purify countdown and accidently applied sleep over mine.

Do you think it would be too much to ask to have the remaining survivors all line up again after diminishings/immunity to start over as this would be most awesome- thanks!

[Rawkzor]

I'm tired of your terrible arguments. Goodbye.