If you are a WHM without Swiftcast, you are holding back your team at endgame

[Artemiz]

Having read all 31 pages of this thread I'm really surprised at the attitude of some people. Swiftcast makes you better, why not get it? Other jobs have the same problem, as a BLM I need Quelling Strikes, I know it's my responsibility to get it and don't blame the tanks for not holding hate. Tanks need voke etc... So whm is not alone in needing to get cross class skills. Nobody is saying you need it yesterday but refusing to get it at all because you think it's too much like hard work is a terrible attitude and not one those terrible DD's you keep talking about probably share.

If a DD goes down and you need to raise him, then, just do it already, that's the role you chose to play and it's a team game and you can't always say it's his own fault, there are plenty of area wide attacks in this game which cannot be avoided, lag happens, what if I'm in the middle of my LB and can't move to get out of PAoE? What if the player to go down is the second healer in 8 man content? seems like some of you guys would just blame the DD's, wipe and then get on your pedestal.

The idea that whm don't need to get Swiftcast because a KO is always the fault of the player KO'd is frankly retarded, should we not have air ambulances because if you're in a car crash it's you own fault? How about getting mugged in a dark alley, should the police not investigate?

Just get Swiftcast already, honestly....

[Peptaru]

People without SC say things like "people who require SC are elitist" except they have the attitude that "i'm better than everyone, I don't need SC. If you die it's your fault."

Pro-tip: That's the elitist attitude you are accusing others of having.

[koikitty]

I have SC, I just hardly use it. I am used to timing my raises inbetween aoe's and attacks to get them up in a good time and heal them before the next swing/move.
There is nothing wrong with saying "you shouldnt die", a dead dps - is no dps.
People do sling the word Troll and Elitist around like crazy, but absolutely demanding an entire class to have a spell to do content - what is that?

[Peptaru]

It is people wanting the most options. What is elitist about having an emergency button?

Should you kick people who don't have it? Not if they're working on it, even slowly.

Should you kick people who refuse to get it based on some bologna reason? Yep.

[koikitty]

What if I dont want to get it because it was demanded of me? Instead of people straight out saying " You have this or get out" ,
you could be like - Hey this spell will improve your ability to raise people and keep up good heals.
I am more affected of how people approach me and Tell me how to play my job, more often than offering me help.

Just recently I had people CAPPING -
DONT SUCK, KNOW THIS OR DONT BOTHER, BLAH BLAH BLAH.

why not -
Please know the fight before entering, and have any extra skills available.

Stop killing morale, and help each other instead of ordering others around. Thats how I feel, and Ive hardly played this game. Im already saddened by the attitudes of people.
Its a game that people pay to play, so why cant they do what they want? Sure as hell your not paying them to play.

[Peptaru]

"I don't want to cuz they said I have to" is not a good reason. You'd get it anyway, but since they said to... Eff that! It's simply being a contrarian, which is bologna.

A lot can be gained by using tact, agreed, but refusing to get something useful for a perceived slight to one's character is petty and unjustifiable.

[Artemiz]

What if I dont want to get it because it was demanded of me?

Then you're being stubborn for the sake of it, how is that a good thing? I cannot think of a single situation in the whole history of mankind where being stubborn has helped, it's one of the most self detrimental human emotions of all.

Stop killing morale, and help each other instead of ordering others around. Thats how I feel, and Ive hardly played this game. Im already saddened by the attitudes of people.
Its a game that people pay to play, so why cant they do what they want? Sure as hell your not paying them to play.

I would agree with you if you where playing a single player game, but you're not, you're playing a co-op game. If I'm picked to play goal at a football match but I don't want to, because I prefer to play as a striker should I ignore what everyone else wants and try and score? I paid to play like everyone else, so why not? You lose individuality when you play with other people, if you don't like it then don't play with other people, simple.

[KHShadowrunner]

Having read all 31 pages of this thread I'm really surprised at the attitude of some people. Swiftcast makes you better, why not get it? Other jobs have the same problem, as a BLM I need Quelling Strikes...

I haven't seen any threads that state 'If you don't have 'Quelling Strikes' as a BLM, you're hodling back your team'. I have, however, seen threads like 'Hey guys, Quelling Strikes is fan-tastic for BLM'. That might be why you're getting such feedback. But more to the point...

My problem with 'demanding' swiftcast - Swiftcast is a luxury. I can think of nearly 0 situations where Swiftcast + Raise has truly saved the day, why? Because when you are raised:

You lose ALL active buffs (except food now!) - Which means that you are taking MORE damage and dealing LESS damage until you either get back in the groove or you are re-protected (which, will NOT be used via Swiftcast, knocking out 2 GCD worth of healing to potentially theatening situations)

You gain a debuff that cripples you. You are, as a whole, doing less damage, and have less life to live with.

I wont disagree that a person alive is worth more than a person dead, but it is a bigger MP drain and, depending on the fight, is near useless (KB fight, Titan, etc).

Having the skill is a luxury. It's nice, it's not necessary. It is not holding the team back - You can progress through, I'd go with 99% of the content without swiftcast. It may be harder, yes, but it's the same as not having quelling strikes, the same as not using Virus as a BLM, or Lethargy (I happen to be a BLM so I'm thinking of all the fun stuff I fail to use). It's the same as not using Second Wind on MNK (because the healer should be healing - TBH Second wind should be on near cooldown), or not using Blood for Blood on DRG. All these things are luxuries.

[wildgalax]

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pretty selfish to tell someone to not play since you dont like the way someone chooses to experience the game. Also your analogy is pretty pathetic, a healer is not going to stop being a healer/support just cause they choose not to get swiftcast or do some dps or w/e other reason. But nice try.

[Hanzar]

I found out today about this spell. Been doing dungoens without it without any major issues. Hell we even got to Siren when my gear level was 51-52 without any major issues. We failed on Siren thou due to connections issue on the dps.

Anyway I see this spell as a useful spell. And I will be leveling to get it. BUT it is not needed to do high end stuff. It will help a lot. But if DPS and tank avoids AoE dmg then it is mostly there as an panic button.