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    So we should have to stack materia for one specific resistance type, because it's far more powerful than every other type of control? What about when we don't fight BLM and/or WHM? Wasted materia slots. It's been stated enough times, and almost always argued against by the class that has said control. If you have to put an extreme amount of effort into countering one specific control effect or class, that class/control effect needs to be looked at and possibly revised.
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    You can't go wrong with stun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schnipsel View Post
    what u do agains 3 class with sleep 1 tank? inclusive sprint all the day long
    The great thing about sleep is that the moment you're slept and purify to wake up, you get hit with a reasonable timer of 15 secs which you should really see as 13 secs.
    I think if anything should be fixed it should be sleep resist timer and the resist build up should be reset far later than it is at the moment but imho the materia slot use/lack of resist atm warrants the current sleep time. We don't know if we'll have a 50% resistance or 50% effect time.
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    My prediction: SE will keep war amazingly devastating in PvP so later down the line you must do lolPvE to get PvP stuff... and that will fix the 'lack of tank' issues. /pets cat.

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    No sleep is not fine! and how is you getting sleep YOUR fault the only defense for sleep is purify after that your screwed, unless your team keeps the blm or whm tied down they will simply sleep you over and over easily done by a decent blm!


    No, the number 1 defense for sleep is avoidance. Too many people pay no attention to the position of a whm or blm or rush right it, see it over and over every day. After avoidance you then have purify, esuna and leeches. You can also use food and materia buffs to help manage sleep. Many sleeps are wasted when you have pugs with multiple BLM or a BLM and WHM as sleeps on tops of sleeps= diminishings and a waste of a good CC. Over and over? Not with diminishings and smart gameplay/movement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by realistic1 View Post

    No, the number 1 defense for sleep is avoidance. Too many people pay no attention to the position of a whm or blm or rush right it, see it over and over every day. After avoidance you then have purify, esuna and leeches. You can also use food and materia buffs to help manage sleep. Many sleeps are wasted when you have pugs with multiple BLM or a BLM and WHM as sleeps on tops of sleeps= diminishings and a waste of a good CC. Over and over? Not with diminishings and smart gameplay/movement.
    Have you even played against a premade with 2 blm's and 1 whm and a war? Honestly don't lie. You can not avoid "Sleep" from 3 mages sprinting with swift cast. 3/4 of them has a sleep, 3/4 has swift cast chain sleep with sprint, 2/4 has a aoe sleep and on top of that the War will instantly run up to your range dps and homg and drop him. You will not "avoid" the sleep or anything else at all

    I have never played any pvp where a sleep can last 45 secs or can be recasted constantly over and over. It only takes a team 2-10secs to drop one person without getting healed. Honestly if you have to seriously buy a specific materia and stack it just for sleep, it means Sleep is over powered. Why do you think no one complains about bind, blind, or even STUN locked, because none of them has a 30sec+ duration.

    No wonder you don't mind... Just looked at the class you play... BLM... lol figures...
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    Last edited by SolRising; 12-30-2013 at 08:22 PM.

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    Have you even played against a premade with 2 blm's and 1 whm and a war?


    I have played hundreds of pug matches and have come up against 2 blms on more than 1 occasion with a whm (and have won some of these)- not sure how many times a warrior was involved.

    You can not avoid "Sleep" from 3 mages sprinting with swift cast. You will not "avoid" the sleep or anything else at all


    Never said it could be avoided 100% of the time (just that avoidance is best defense) and this is where the mitigation I mentioned comes in- purify, esuna, leeches, buffs.... FYI- I find your above scenario easier to manage than one BLM as they are usually casting over one another creating diminishings quite quickly and doing less damage compared to other classes due to focusing on CC.


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    I have never played any pvp where a sleep can last 45 secs

    Either have I, including this game- there is no 45 sec sleep.
    or can be recasted constantly over and over.

    Sleep can be cast over and over, it just takes a cast time (that can be interrupted after swiftcast and nightwing) and diminishings begin exponentially on the 2nd cast and the target will become immune. No sense in casting over and over and usually this is impossible even if I wanted to due to casting time, the bounty on my head, and interrupts and stuns.
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    It only takes a team 2-10secs to drop one person without getting healed.

    I would disagree that this is the norm.
    Honestly if you have to seriously buy a specific materia and stack it just for sleep, it means Sleep is over powered.

    You do not. I mentioned several mitagations and this was only 1 of them. I purchase stun resist not sleep resist items even though I have the same chance at being slept by a blm or whm that you do.
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    Why do you think no one complains about bind, blind, or even STUN locked, because none of them has a 30sec+ duration.

    I hear complaints all the time on these. There is a reason I buff for stun resist rather than sleep and there is absolutely no reason anyone should have a 30 sec duration after a couple wins- it is called purify. Wait, let me guess- too busy acquiring dps boosts than purify so when you do get slept and it is not removed by your healer you can whine about the 30 sec cc and point out the high dps you had prior to the sleep at the end of the losing match as a sign you are a good player? Come on, be a team player and get purify- never will there be a 30 sec CC.
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    No wonder you don't mind... Just looked at the class you play... BLM... lol figures..
    I stand the same chance as you at being slept by a blm or whm AND the CC impacts me the same as you. I take that back- I stand a greater chance at being slept than you. I am expected to sleep the healer (not save my a$$ with the CC), I am usually top priority (alongside heals) for enemy sleep, and I usually have 3 opposing players after me before our healer. Stop whining about a 30 sec CC and get purify. If you want my sleep, trade several instant attacks that I can use while moving with the ability to bind and silence and you can have my sleep.
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