MAJOR song missing - Bard - everything else is great

[LunarEmerald]

TP song is the song that's nearly useless. With Invigorate, few jobs need it.

[RyuDragnier]

All I really see here is BRDs crying and whining, because they don't have a DPS song, but they do in fact get Disembowel from DRG for their Piercing damage up. It's just not enough. Unfortunately for you, you're a DPS class with heavy amounts of utility. If you don't like it, then play something else. TP Song is great; it may suck for you, but it helps the raid. Doing maximum DPS and being #1 is great and all, but what really matters is that everyone in the raid does their part and assists getting the boss down. BRDs really hit it home here, but they always have to go and cry, because nothing is enough for them.

Our problem is that all of our support songs and abilities require highly specific circumstances, all of which rarely happen.

Mage's Ballad? Unless you have a WHM under 50% MP or it's a healer heavy battle like Ultima Weapon HM, you're not going to use it.

Army's Paeon? You don't know WHEN to use that TP regen because there's no real clearcut way to tell when somebody's low on TP unless they ask for it.

Foe's Requiem? If you're in any difficult fight, it's not worth using because odds are Mage's Ballad will be needed at one point due to a healer being rezzed by another one.

Rain of Death? It was the only good support skill with that 10% damage reduction, and they changed it into the useless 10% evasion drop.

All our support is garbage outside of those circumstances, and will not be used at all 90% of the time. I've ran numerous dungeons without even having to use a single Ballad, Paeon, or Requiem, and even ran through Crystal Tower without having to use any of them (we had almost 100% melee that run). Face it, the Bard support is a joke ever since they took out the healing abilities from 1.0 to give us the DPS we have now. 1.0 Bard was a support Bard.

[Shamirah]

If you don't have to use Paeon or Mage's ballad... why don't you use Requiem ? It does not decrease your dps and it increases greatly the dps of your SMN/BLM/PET... or you'd rather keep your mana for... nothing ?

[Alpheus]

BRDs in FFXI had everyone by the balls with their Minuets and Marches (Atk boost and Haste songs) I'm sure they wanna go a different direction since they know how it'll play out*. To that point they already have since BRD in XIV is a way better damage dealer than in XI at the cost of some of the more premiere songs XI BRD had access to.

*That's not to say how the situation ended up in FFXI was omg awful but a lot of fights were balanced with those buffs in mind especially in the recent expansion with Delve content (before they added ilvl revisions to SoA gear since those songs were what allowed accuracy and attack to hit relevant caps) and they probably feel like balancing fights in FFXIV around other things (though admittedly a seemingly small pool of other things). Having said that I'm sure eventually when they expand upon every job's and class' abilities we'll see a return of Valor Minuet and Victory March for BRD.

[Thunderz]

so much woosh going in this thread

[RyuDragnier]

If you don't have to use Paeon or Mage's ballad... why don't you use Requiem ? It does not decrease your dps and it increases greatly the dps of your SMN/BLM/PET... or you'd rather keep your mana for... nothing ?

I'm usually in 4 man groups, and with me in the group, that leaves a single DPS slot open. Most of the time it's Monks, Dragoons, or other Bards. Requiem never sees a use for me because I never see a mage to use it with. 8 mans...it's usually with the FC, and only one person runs SMN or BLM (it's the same guy who plays one or the other) every time, and we're usually running Garuda EM, CT, or Ultima HM. All 3 I save my MP because face it, it's way too easy to screw up to the point where a healer will die and have to be rezzed and their MP restored.

[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

I agree with the OP.
More songs please. MORE SONGS PLEASE!!!!

[Jenilya]

I'd like a few more options, but I don't think a direct damage increase would be wise. It would be very powerful.
Some more support songs, maybe slow enemies, haste allies (not running speed, actual haste), or low hp regen.

Maybe some instant effect songs? Instead of passive ones that drain, just an instant cast with a cooldown. There is a lot of potential for more song types here.

[Maero]

I guess probably just use tp song for longer battles. If you have a summoner or blm however then use the song to boost there damage.
(blm already does more damage so why not boost it)

[l33tbmb]

The problem with TP song is the whole not knowing when to use it. The argument that "you don't need to know what their TP is" is pretty invalid. So I don't need to know what your MP is either? It's irrelevant for me to know WHEN to use my support ability so the timing is good and I minimize the impact to my damage dealt? In the end this boils down to party communication. I'll use the TP song if and when the party indicates I need to, but when do I turn it off again? When MP runs out? It's a moot point though, since nobody has ever requested I use the song anyway.