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    Venom's Avatar
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    Omega Venom
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    Cerberus
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    Archer Lv 72
    Quote Originally Posted by Kevee View Post
    You don't have to see their TP.

    All physical classes run out, and especially in endgame gear/SS stacking, and even more-so if they ever AoE. Are you ~3-4 minutes in or so of constant fighting? You can be sure that they will need some TP.

    Can't have that unless you remove all the debuffs from other classes.

    They don't want to do that. It's called class synergy, and they don't want complete dependence on one single class. Giving BRD that would make them required.

    Remember, BRD isn't a support class. It's a DPS class that has support skills, just like every other DPS class. Sure, they have "more" support than others and do less DPS, but they're still a DPS class.
    You missed the POINT! TP song is the Melee version on Ballad. There is no melee DPS boost from BARD like there is Casters. Often classes manage their TP well and as you stated, isn't worth using with the 20% DPS loss.
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    Virtual On
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Venom View Post
    You missed the POINT! TP song is the Melee version on Ballad. There is no melee DPS boost from BARD like there is Casters. Often classes manage their TP well and as you stated, isn't worth using with the 20% DPS loss.
    TP song boosts DPS if you're bottoming out, the same way MP song boosts mages bottoming out, and extends AF cycle for BLM.

    There isn't one for physical because it's already provided by other classes(read my first post), plus there just isn't one for casters. It lowers a mobs resistance, it's not a buff that boosts damage.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kevee
    DRG provides Piercing(BRD and DRG)
    BRD provides Magic(BLM, SMN, WHM, SCH, Garuda-Egi)
    WAR provides Slashing(WAR and PLD)
    MNK provides Blunt(MNK, Ifrit-egi, Titan-Egi)
    They manage it because they would bottom out faster, otherwise, and they can't AoE like a mage can.
    It's not worth it because people don't form a party around it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Venom View Post
    That isn't exactly true, no matter what PT I am in, at end game I am usually having to support with Foe or Ballad. We are a hybrid of DPS and Support.
    Foe Requiem doesn't lower your damage.

    Ballad is rarely needed. Only for specific purposes(WP speedruns), if people dun goofed(using too much mana/needed a battle rez), or on longer fights like Twintania(which, when used, you aren't doing damage anyways[divebomb transition]).

    You are supporting just as much as other DPS(except for maybe DRG, although they can cross-class Mantra, and Slow has a niche use on Garuda). MNK has Mantra, Blunt debuff, and an INT debuff. SMN has an AoE root, Eye for an Eye, Virus, heal debuff/heavy, slow, and battle rez. BLM provides an AoE sleep, AoE root, a (currently) useless elemental resistance buff, and an off-GCD Slow/Heavy.

    Every DPS has support skills. That doesn't stop them from being DPS.
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    Last edited by Kevee; 12-30-2013 at 04:04 AM.

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    Josh Magni
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    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 60

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    All I really see here is BRDs crying and whining, because they don't have a DPS song, but they do in fact get Disembowel from DRG for their Piercing damage up. It's just not enough. Unfortunately for you, you're a DPS class with heavy amounts of utility. If you don't like it, then play something else. TP Song is great; it may suck for you, but it helps the raid. Doing maximum DPS and being #1 is great and all, but what really matters is that everyone in the raid does their part and assists getting the boss down. BRDs really hit it home here, but they always have to go and cry, because nothing is enough for them.
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    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Hayk Farsight
    World
    Exodus
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Illa View Post
    All I really see here is BRDs crying and whining, because they don't have a DPS song, but they do in fact get Disembowel from DRG for their Piercing damage up. It's just not enough. Unfortunately for you, you're a DPS class with heavy amounts of utility. If you don't like it, then play something else. TP Song is great; it may suck for you, but it helps the raid. Doing maximum DPS and being #1 is great and all, but what really matters is that everyone in the raid does their part and assists getting the boss down. BRDs really hit it home here, but they always have to go and cry, because nothing is enough for them.
    Our problem is that all of our support songs and abilities require highly specific circumstances, all of which rarely happen.

    Mage's Ballad? Unless you have a WHM under 50% MP or it's a healer heavy battle like Ultima Weapon HM, you're not going to use it.

    Army's Paeon? You don't know WHEN to use that TP regen because there's no real clearcut way to tell when somebody's low on TP unless they ask for it.

    Foe's Requiem? If you're in any difficult fight, it's not worth using because odds are Mage's Ballad will be needed at one point due to a healer being rezzed by another one.

    Rain of Death? It was the only good support skill with that 10% damage reduction, and they changed it into the useless 10% evasion drop.

    All our support is garbage outside of those circumstances, and will not be used at all 90% of the time. I've ran numerous dungeons without even having to use a single Ballad, Paeon, or Requiem, and even ran through Crystal Tower without having to use any of them (we had almost 100% melee that run). Face it, the Bard support is a joke ever since they took out the healing abilities from 1.0 to give us the DPS we have now. 1.0 Bard was a support Bard.
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