Planned Adjustments to PvP

[Jubez187]

remove the ability to queue with less than 4 people, simple fix ... you either go witha full team.. or alone... the easiest fix ever...

Pretty much this. Premade. Solo Queue. There shouldn't be, and this goes for all games, a mixed queue. And if they ever want to add a skill ranking to this PvP then this DEFINITELY could not continue because matchmaking is abysmal when 2 people queue together with different skill levels (see: Duo-Queue in League of Legends).

[Starrywisdom]

How do you AFK bot PvP?

All the bot has to do is activate duty finder and join queue. Something you can even do with a G18 keyboard and a repeating macro. As the AFK timer is, well stupid(especially in PvP) all the bot has to do is spam join/accept. They get put into the match and sit in the start zone absorbing all the loss exp/marks(since you're now playing with 3 people you tend to lose). Been at least 3-4 people over the past week that I can remember BY NAME because they'e shown up in my queue that much. They've been reported multiple times - by me and the other people in just my matches.

The fact square enix hasn't done anything is absolutely pathetic.

[Alhanelem]

No. That sounds terrible.

Agreed, because people need to think outside the Arena box. There is going to be more PvP besides just the arena.

All the bot has to do is activate duty finder and join queue. Something you can even do with a G18 keyboard and a repeating macro. As the AFK timer is, well stupid(especially in PvP) all the bot has to do is spam join/accept. They get put into the match and sit in the start zone absorbing all the loss exp/marks(since you're now playing with 3 people you tend to lose). Been at least 3-4 people over the past week that I can remember BY NAME because they'e shown up in my queue that much. They've been reported multiple times - by me and the other people in just my matches.

The fact square enix hasn't done anything is absolutely pathetic.

Scratching my head as to why anyone would want to do this. Personally I care about my record and wouldn't want to have a million losses on it. Besides that, it would actually be faster to actually play and win.

[Akiza]

Summoner's don't need to be nerfed since they get stun locked and interrupted by everything a Melee or Bard does.

[Alhanelem]

Summoner's don't need to be nerfed since they get stun locked and interrupted by everything a melee does

well it's a meta that develeoped over time. Everyone hates SMN so much now that they get immediately rocked any time one shows up. Thereby making them not overpowered on account of being overpowered made them huge flashing signs that say "Kill Me".

[SirGazuntai]

Scratching my head as to why anyone would want to do this. Personally I care about my record and wouldn't want to have a million losses on it. Besides that, it would actually be faster to actually play and win.

Because they can do it while they sleep. It's the same for any other kind of bot, such as mining bots that are always slower than the average player. If they don't care about PvP and only want the gear from it (which a lot of people do) this is an easy way for them to do it. Takes longer, but takes less effort.

Anyway, the changes to SMN... If they can change the class but make sure it only affects The Wolve's Den and not PvE, why couldn't they do this in the first place? Does this mean all the skills that were changed were changed for PvE settings? If so I greatly question a lot of their changes...

But yeah, the fact they didn't balance SMN by making their damage + pet damage = roughly the same damage as another class is extremely silly. Every time we have a SMN in our group they out-DPS everyone the majority of the time. Sure, the pet might die and you'll lose DPS but the majority of players have Swiftcast and I'm pretty sure they stated they balanced end-game content based on the fact that people would be using cross-class abilities... Eh, what do I know.

[Jyoeru]

Bayohne, Im trusting you to relay this to YoshiP for me. It's my only hope for this actually getting fixed.

The largest reason why 3 man queues are so popular for premades right now is because queue time for 4 man queue is way too long. Even though few groups are queued because the wait is long, the instance servers are always fully reserved, and we end up having to wait 10-20 minutes before it reserves one. In addition, weve tried queueing at the same time as other 4 man groups within our server, only to wait another 10-15minutes before it reserves a server and finds us a match.

Please add more instance servers to the 4 man premade queue, so my group players wont have to seal club in the 3 man queue all day in order to advance in rank.

Hey, I was wrong. They're going to do something. Not sure what, but if they keep the 4man comps, I imagine their solution will only make 4man queues even longer! I'd like to have faith that they will figure something out, but I am firmly of the belief that whatever they do will tax people who want to play with a buddy and not necessarily in a premade 4man. Of course, their solution won't do anything to fix the higher-end players scamming the lesser-ability players. It seems to me that PVP will be broken well before it ever even gets off the ground.

If SE wanted to have a more balanced PVP environment, they should have implemented a 10man capture-the-flag or related type map. The current 4man comp with required tank and healer roles only makes PVP that much harder to "fix," in my opinion.

[Jyoeru]

All the bot has to do is activate duty finder and join queue. Something you can even do with a G18 keyboard and a repeating macro. As the AFK timer is, well stupid(especially in PvP) all the bot has to do is spam join/accept. They get put into the match and sit in the start zone absorbing all the loss exp/marks(since you're now playing with 3 people you tend to lose). Been at least 3-4 people over the past week that I can remember BY NAME because they'e shown up in my queue that much. They've been reported multiple times - by me and the other people in just my matches.

The fact square enix hasn't done anything is absolutely pathetic.

Wonder what would happen if they made us type a short code to enter. So, when the queue pops, it puts a captcha type code (but more like a three-digit number) you have to enter to hit accept. I am no computer programmer, but I doubt one could make a bot easily to navigate something like this.

[Fyreus]

Greetings, everyone!

Last night, Yoshida made a post on the upcoming changes scheduled to take place for PvP that I wanted to share with you all!

Make jump a PvE only move (like the pvp moves are gray outside of arena) and problem solved.

[SirGazuntai]

Wonder what would happen if they made us type a short code to enter. So, when the queue pops, it puts a captcha type code (but more like a three-digit number) you have to enter to hit accept. I am no computer programmer, but I doubt one could make a bot easily to navigate something like this.

The reason a lot of Captcha are strangely hard to read is because bots can be made to read these things pretty easily. It can look at an image and guess what it says according to the list of fonts it has knowledge of.

Simple digits would be really easy for bots to get around. We would need a pretty annoying Captcha to get around it.

I used to play a game that made you enter your password whenever you went into a PvP game. Bots could easily put your password in for you, but most people didn't want to download something someone else made and put their accounts password into it. The people who could make bots were fine, however all the script kiddies who download random bots/hacks barely took the risk. Didn't prevent bots, however it did reduce the amount.

They could just make it that if you don't contribute enough to the fight you get nothing, similar to how FATE's work. If you're below 10%, you get nothing. Healing would obviously have to be a good way to gain contribution though, unlike FATE's...

EDIT: To add to the contribution thing, bots probably couldn't get around this. They could, of course, press Tab and automatically start spamming skills, but if people LoS the bot or just sleep/stun/whatever him, he has no way of getting rid of these debuffs or moving to get back into a position they can actually attack from. PvP requires a lot of reaction, which a bot wouldn't be able to do very well. Even if it could get through a few matches, it wouldn't get through the majority of them which would make them stop doing this.