Troll Trolling

[Lyrro]

If I'm farming mobs, and another player starts killing them, I just reduce my farming radius. Most will see what I'm doing, and just farm what I'm leaving alone. For those who don't, I try to nicely work it out with them via chat. If I'm ignored, I just wait for them to finish, or I move on.

I ran up on my favorite fleece spot yesterday, only to find another character there. They appeared to be prepping to farm them, so I asked if they were doing so via /say. They replied that they were done, and to go ahead. I thanked them, and got to work. Communication has made farming much easier more times than I can count...

I never try to compete for mobs, because I consider it a waste of time. There is plenty else to do without resorting to competition without reward.

This is more what I'm looking for, a "Heres what happened" and "here's how I fixed it" scenario. I probably should've used two different examples when I set up this thread, knowing how tunnel visioned people tend to get in threads and as can be expected, this has gone completely off topic. I'm looking for more examples like this, giving an example of something that happened and how you coped with it.

I honestly couldn't care less how bad a person I am for not bending over when some guy who thinks he's higher level than me wants to try and hog all the spawns. As for the whole sharing kills thing, that works if the other person is willing to participate, not so much when you're a lvl 20 Arc and the other person does over half the mobs health in damage per shot and doesn't want to share. I also don't want to be spoon fed, I didn't spend so much time leveling all the jobs I have if I didn't think I should work for what I have, so don't try to spin that angle just because I call spawn hogs trolls. Don't take this the wrong way, there are probably more subtle ways of dealing with guys like the Blm or Smn I mentioned above, but I just have too much fun watching them get mad because I'm doing to them what they wanted to do to me. If they're willing to be cooperative, then I'm happy to share the spawns.

[Rjain]

but I just have too much fun watching them get mad because I'm doing to them what they wanted to do to me. If they're willing to be cooperative, then I'm happy to share the spawns.

So it basically sounds like you're the one doing what you are calling out in your first few posts. How do you know what they wanted to do? They most likely hardly even acknowledged your presence and only cared about farming what they wanted to farm. You assume that their intentions were malicious when you're the one with the malicious intention. You are trying to make them mad and assuming they are getting mad when they probably don't even know you exist/couldn't care less, all they probably wanted was whatever the enemies dropped like most people who farm.

[Ryel]

So it basically sounds like you're the one doing what you are calling out in your first few posts. How do you know what they wanted to do? They most likely hardly even acknowledged your presence and only cared about farming what they wanted to farm. You assume that their intentions were malicious when you're the one with the malicious intention. You are trying to make them mad and assuming they are getting mad when they probably don't even know you exist/couldn't care less, all they probably wanted was whatever the enemies dropped like most people who farm.

Honestly this a thousand times.

Most people farming (who aren't RMT) are simply farming for items they need, there are no common courtesy laws when it comes to mob camps or time spent in them. As much as people may like to claim otherwise it's just the nature of things and people will simply use the abilities that kill / claim the fastest whether it be Blunt Arrow or Bio.

Also in regards to people who are higher level doing this well that's an easy one, Higher level = Faster kills = more items obtained in a shorter amount of time.

However like others have stated, I myself am willing to change camps (barring availability) if I'm simply asked, but another person being there first has no affect on my decision to kill mobs for mats that i need.

I think you're simply reading malicious intent where there isn't any and responding in kind.

[Lyrro]

So it basically sounds like you're the one doing what you are calling out in your first few posts. How do you know what they wanted to do? They most likely hardly even acknowledged your presence and only cared about farming what they wanted to farm. You assume that their intentions were malicious when you're the one with the malicious intention. You are trying to make them mad and assuming they are getting mad when they probably don't even know you exist/couldn't care less, all they probably wanted was whatever the enemies dropped like most people who farm.

If you read the initial posts, you'd know that I did not start until after they'd done it to me, so I don't really need to know what they wanted to do. I'm basing my choices on what they're doing, not what I think they want to do. As for me doing what I'm calling them out for doing, hence the phrase "troll trolling". If they're going out of their way to steal kills from me, then they probably know I exist and why I'm there. As for me knowing they're getting angry, if you spend any time observing people's behavior in and out of games, or even just watching crime shows, you start to understand that body language can say more than words at times. Even in games like FFXIV, body language can say a lot.

[Rjain]

If they're going out of their way to steal kills from me

That's the point of competitive farming. Have you ever played FFXI? You probably would not be making this post, as that was 50% of that game (and much more heated considering some of the things people would farm would pop maybe once every 36 hours).

... then they probably know I exist and why I'm there. As for me knowing they're getting angry, if you spend any time observing people's behavior in and out of games, or even just watching crime shows, you start to understand that body language can say more than words at times. Even in games like FFXIV, body language can say a lot.

There's no body language in a video game. You already obviously made the inaccurate assumption that these people are maliciously trying to troll you which is more than likely false. All that I see is someone is upset because they were outclaimed, they took it personally when the person doing it had little to no intention of making it a personal matter, and then they came to the message board in some passive aggressive attempt to one-up the "perpetrator" by claiming they out-trolled them.

In the future, don't take being outclaimed so personally.

[Mohamed]

That's the point of competitive farming. Have you ever played FFXI? You probably would not be making this post, as that was 50% of that game (and much more heated considering some of the things people would farm would pop maybe once every 36 hours).

There's no body language in a video game. You already obviously made the inaccurate assumption that these people are maliciously trying to troll you which is more than likely false. All that I see is someone is upset because they were outclaimed, they took it personally when the person doing it had little to no intention of making it a personal matter, and then they came to the message board in some passive aggressive attempt to one-up the "perpetrator" by claiming they out-trolled them.

In the future, don't take being outclaimed so personally.

This is more about the "how" rather than the "why"...

Competitive farming is ok. The issue is how you go about doing so.

Any logically coherent human being understands that if a player brings a monster from another person, the player by default acknowledges the presence of that person they took the monster from. It goes hand in hand.It's like building up threat on a monster a tank is holding and then suddenly, the monster attacks you and you say "well, I don't think the tank was attacking it"... No. Clearly if you are building up threat you are building it up against another threat that is competing with you. So you can't defend yourself with ignorance in this case since your actions directly contradict your "ignorance" argument.


TL;DR: The person was being an ass. It is evident. You don't need a psychology degree to prove that nor do you need body language.

It's simply defined through the plot.

[Billie21]

I don't even understand the need to share by cutting the spot in half. I mean, this game allows several people to get credit from the same mobs. It just requires some communication, or even (dare I?) a team invite?

I've had two (lvl 50) friends of mine starting to farm low level loots fro craft. After getting on the spot and starting farming, they realised they were probably robbing all the kills from the lowbie there. So they coordonated with him, suggesting he tagged mobs, then my friends just blasted all the mobs. Everyone gets what they wanted.

[Mohamed]

I don't even understand the need to share by cutting the spot in half. I mean, this game allows several people to get credit from the same mobs. It just requires some communication, or even (dare I?) a team invite?

I've had two (lvl 50) friends of mine starting to farm low level loots fro craft. After getting on the spot and starting farming, they realised they were probably robbing all the kills from the lowbie there. So they coordonated with him, suggesting he tagged mobs, then my friends just blasted all the mobs. Everyone gets what they wanted.

This is precisely what competitive yet non-selfish farming is. Kudos to your friends. That's how to do it.