Why is Myth gear as good as Allagan gear, or even better?

[Hanabira]

14 weeks now btw.

it still doesnt answer the question of what these people relying on myths to gear because they wont go near anything harder than garuda intend to do with the gear. its simple, you cant beat ilvl90 content, you no get ilvl90 rewards. you can only beat ilvl55 content... you only get ilvl55 rewards. personally i think rewarding darklight in WP is a stretch, but given the way the game started, its whatever. but this type of serious gaps between level of content and level of rewards cant continue. its going to be hilarious when ilvl100 gear comes out and it cant be obtained with myths. i can taste the tears already.

in every other game, tokens come from content of equal level of the rewards. it makes absolutely no sense for ilvl55 dungeons to reward you with ilvl55, 70 AND 90 equipment simultaneously. just because its very convenient doesn't mean it isn't stupid. If it was never put in the game the way it is, no one would complain about it because its unreasonable to expect. And now that people got a taste of earning high end rewards for low end content, they are going to get alot of crap if they change it.

[Ecks007]

14 weeks now btw.

it still doesnt answer the question of what these people relying on myths to gear because they wont go near anything harder than garuda intend to do with the gear. its simple, you cant beat ilvl90 content, you no get ilvl90 rewards. you can only beat ilvl55 content... you only get ilvl55 rewards. personally i think rewarding darklight in WP is a stretch, but given the way the game started, its whatever. but this type of serious gaps between level of content and level of rewards cant continue. its going to be hilarious when ilvl100 gear comes out and it cant be obtained with myths. i can taste the tears already.

in every other game, tokens come from content of equal level of the rewards. it makes absolutely no sense for ilvl55 dungeons to reward you with ilvl55, 70 AND 90 equipment simultaneously. just because its very convenient doesn't mean it isn't stupid. If it was never put in the game the way it is, no one would complain about it because its unreasonable to expect. And now that people got a taste of earning high end rewards for low end content, they are going to get alot of crap if they change it.

Wait, what? I could easily beat coil with a group of people who know how to play their class and have decent gear, that's not the issue. The issue is that generally people require statics, and that typically, pug groups are full of retards that aren't dependable or coordinated enough to even beat Titan HM on their own. (not always true, but for the most part.. I think I'm right) Even if 2-3 out of the 8 are the stupid ones not playing their role right, then it's going to go very badly for the rest of the group. Even more so if their role is an important one like silencing, tanking or healing. Even dps need to know how/when to dodge correctly.

Unfortunately I can't commit to a static, and I'm sure there are many other people who can't commit to static groups for a variety of reasons due to RL situations.

Coil is not hard. People have beaten T1 and T2 just wearing AK gear and DL. That is hardly an i90 requirement. Perhaps T4 and T5 are considerably harder than the first two turns but they certainly don't require full i90 to complete, however like with all content the better geared you are the better you are going to do.

[Hanabira]

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Coil is not hard. People have beaten T1 and T2 just wearing AK gear and DL. That is hardly an i90 requirement. Perhaps T4 and T5 are considerably harder than the first two turns but they certainly don't require full i90 to complete, however like with all content the better geared you are the better you are going to do.

ive never seen any other game hand you free best gear in the game because people are stupid. and i didnt say not everyone who likes myth the way it is isnt good enough for coil, but there is a population who absolutely refuse to do any coil at all because they think its too hard.

i mean really, would WoW have been as big as it is/was if the heroic dungeon loot was found in their regular mode counterparts? no one hands out gear of the highest level just for the fact that pick up groups are stupid. if this game had any difficulty before titan, it wouldnt be an issue. the game literally lets you spam flash in fates to level up, then when you actually have to know how to play (read: move out of the way), its too much to ask.

GW2 start out with that same idea, play your own way to get the same rewards.. but then people realized that i can either farm gold for 1 day, or spam dungeons for a week to get the same stats.. why bother? people lost interest because there was no point to anything, then they released that ascended stuff. as far as i know (last i played) it was only obtainable from fractals. the current end-game multi-mini dungeon system.. sound familliar?

[Ecks007]

ive never seen any other game hand you free best gear in the game because people are stupid. and i didnt say not everyone who likes myth the way it is isnt good enough for coil, but there is a population who absolutely refuse to do any coil at all because they think its too hard.

i mean really, would WoW have been as big as it is/was if the heroic dungeon loot was found in their regular mode counterparts? no one hands out gear of the highest level just for the fact that pick up groups are stupid. if this game had any difficulty before titan, it wouldnt be an issue. the game literally lets you spam flash in fates to level up, then when you actually have to know how to play (read: move out of the way), its too much to ask.

Okay. I get that you'd be upset at the "population who absolutely refuse to do any coil at all because they think it's too hard". And I'll be honest I was intimidated too, and my first attempt with a pug group was a horrible experience. We couldn't even take ADS past 50% because we didn't even have the right party make up. Beyond that, it actually could have been doable, we had two Plds but they couldnt work together to pull off a silence rotation. So yeah, insta-fail for everyone. It was bad. People who avoid content just because it's "too hard" then you don't need to worry about them.. because you know what, they won't be running that content with you. And as I also already stated, you'd be getting the best weapons in the game while those that didn't want to run the content would never be getting it because of that. Not sure why you could be upset about that.

I did try T2 with a friend and his coil static one night since they needed a dps replacement. It was surprisingly way easier than I thought it would be, when actually running with competent people. That was my final experience with coil so far and likely will be for some time, thankfully it was a pleasant experience and furthered my belief that coil pugs are bad, compared to competent groups that know how to play the game. I will stand by that forever.

But Myth gear is hardly free. Though I can run dungeons, and I can DF/DR them as well, there is no guarantee that I won't end up with a group of said people that are retarded and that they will make my experience unenjoyable and even unsuccessful. I guess I have just been lucky, but out of all the DF/DR high level dungeon runs I've done since 2.1 launched I have only had 2 bad/incomplete runs and both just happened to be Pharaohs' Sirius dungeon attempts. Everything else so far, even with a not so great player here or there has been successful and relatively enjoyable to do. Personally I find the new HM dungeons to be quite fun and they were a bit challenging at first, when figuring out the tactics.

Still, as I said before, with the new system it takes 1-2 weeks just to obtain 1 piece of myth gear (and it used to take even longer), whereas if you were to do a full coil run from T1-T5 you get not only a chance at several Allagan pieces, but also the best weapons in the game that are only obtainable via completing Coil. There are no comparisons when it comes to those weapons.

[Inq]

i can taste the tears already.

I can too, and yours are absolutely delicious.

[nostrade]

i can taste the tears already.

your so called elitist-hardcore-Epeen tears taste pretty good

[KahnMeido]

This thread is all cool and all but honestly, when something with more complex content comes out that doesn't reward you for face-rolling through dungeons my 4 year old niece could clear with one arm, I'm out. A large reason that I play MMO's is a little for prestige, a little for hard content, and a lot for building friendships while doing crazy stuff in large groups. Nothing I have done in this game feels even remotely close to "epic" I'll tell you now that I used to log into MMO's for the content. In this game I only log in for my friends. When they leave (which is starting to happen, my regular coils group has already has to replace several people) I go with them. I play for the camaraderie. When every little thing you do with your group is slowly whittled away by poor RNG and the proverbial loot pinata that is MYTH...well I don't see how any hardcore gamer could play this for very long. That is what it is.