White Mage Changes! Call the WAHHHMBULANCE

[Traumatic]

Yeah the SCH I heal with in my static group has that very mouse and does the same setup. Granted you are required to consume two available healers (yourself and pet) to match my cure 2 (not sure if you can reach 3500 with your macro heal thought). You should be well ahead of the WHM healing-wise considering he is normally responsible for direct heals on the MT and rarely in a situation where he would be party healing (except two parts of the fight that I can think of). If he was out healing you then you have some big problems lol.

[Dyssyd]

The people who say the Medic 2 ruins their ability to rapidly heal people on Twintania fire ball. You clearly missed the boat if you think a 600+ heal 200+ HoT is best for this.

End of my rant. Stop crying and play better.

The main thing about that is that you could cast only one medica II to fully heal the damage of a fireball before the next one would come. Now, we'll have to follow it up with something else, using more mana and giving us a harder time to help spot heal the tank during critical moments.

However, it isn't the end of the world and only requires a small adjustment in playstyle to deal with. People are making mountains out of molehills.

I agree with your last sentence.

[Karnage720]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkLjr3vxtI8 Scholar solo heal turn one. I have personally healed BC from white mage's dying quite a few times when I help my friends BC groups. White mage died on ADS turn 2 boss and I kept the raid up for almost 3 minutes. The group managed rot properly and we won.

Can you even really use that as an example lol. Judging by those guys HP, they severely out leveled that fight.

[gadenp]

Guys, as a WHM, I must say that the changes is not as huge as some people make it up to be. I rather my WHM be buffed instead of nerfed, but this nerf is not something ground breaking or class leaving. It is just annoying that we get nerfed when SCH got buffed.


Also talking about SCH out healing a WHM, I am unsure about that. From my personal experience in BcoB, I am always the main healer that heals the main tank pri. and also off tank, oh crap healing with medica and Regens the group with medica 2,

In my group the SCH plays a more protective role. Healing off tank, shielding party/tanks up via aoe and healing dps when able, casting S.Soil.

Both have their place and both are good at what they do. A SCH is unable to out heal a good WHM in practice especially during burst hp drops. But it helps alot to mitigate damage to prevent such burst hp drops.

Also unless party forces the WHM to make huge unnecessary heals or Shroud and Divine Seal is not used often, WHM are able to maintain mana for quite some times.

What I do is literally mostly use Cure alot more then Cure2. Which is why I prefer SS instead of Crit. As WHM you really need to predict accurately your next 2 or 3 heals target priorities.

What I think will benefit the WHM is to reduce Shroud wait time by 1 minute or 30 seconds. Or allow it to last longer and generate more mana. Also give Cure 3 a bigger range will help. Maybe 1 or 2 yrds more.

But overall WHM is not a fail class. It is just, for me, it is actually harder to master mana to heal usage. For Scholars, you have something to fall back on. But for WHM, if you did not Shroud properly from the early stages of the fight and using Divine Seal at wrong timings, you will have a tough time with mana.

[sharazisspecial]

Whms if your gear is cross class able. Play Sch in equal ilvl gear and it will blow your mind how much mana they have over us.

As a Sch I can spend the entire fight dpsing and healing . I wont go below 90%. As whm even with sos on cooldown my mana will get lower and lower and i WILL go oom if i continue to dps with stone 2. Now if i have to res a few times as a whm i will go into the danger zone and have to stop dpsing.
Funny thing is Sch single target dps is way higher then whm. Also that sch's 2 bio spells can never miss unlike all whm spells.

SE need to tweak either whm damaging spells mana cost(stone 2) or SoS mana return or cd.
Because why is whm dps making them go oom but sch can dps and heal forever? How can this be intended lol. Most likely an oversight from having smn stem from arcanist. Thus the class was built to dps forever.

I recommend sch struggling with mana to play whm. You will be forced to learn to control your mana.

No one would bring double SCH for end game due gimped physical only protection

They heal every fight quite easy actually. Try it before speaking.

[Thunderz]

yeah WHM mana management is pretty wack

If it turns into a healing intensive fight with Rez going out then OOM here I come

I just find it stupid that we are not self sufficient just to justify BRD song

[Marcusow86]

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Still remember you talking about how weak SCH is and you would go WHM for end game content. SCH is just for non-end game. What changes you now?

Firstly, in end game, healers are not required to DPS. your claim isn't sound for end game. As for non-end game, any mob count =4 or >4 WHM holy wins, they come with a convenient stun too. So once again, WHM dps might or might not win in a non-end game duty. Once again, your claim is not solid.

Double SCH heals every fight quite easy? If the fight is AOE heal intensive, i would prefer a WHM as my healing partner. Can i heal them with another SCH? yes i certainly can, that goes with double WHM as well. Able to doesn't mean it is easy. Everyone have recognized SCH/WHM as the best combination. No debate there.

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I agree with your statement. WHM mana regen is the only thing that should be tweaked. Your SoS should be based on a certain % over certain seconds.

Then again, if they fix it, BRD will go out of job. But that doesn't justify why SE broke your mana regen.

[sharazisspecial]

Still remember you talking about how weak SCH is and you would go WHM for end game content. SCH is just for non-end game.

Did I say even once time in my freaking posts whm is a bad healer? So why do people keep saying this lol. Sch got a lot since release. I may of helped them get those fixes with my threads!

What changes you now?

Sch's fairy was pet was not working as intended during release. Could not control them while casting and they wasted cooldowns.
We now have macros for the pet too.
Lustrate % buff which is like 100-220 potency
Medica 2 nerf to hps. Making whm rely on medica and cure3 instead.
Pet now affected spell speed increasing their hps.
Hardest fights are based around tank damage rather then aoe damage. Where critical adlo and lustrate shines.
Aoe damage in this game not being "serious" or needing strict hps.
Learning how shields help bypass fight mechanics completely.

BRD will go out of job

Foe requium and paeon .

[gadenp]

Just saying. In a heal intensive fight, a group with a SCH will usually die faster then a group with a WHM. If both have equal skill levels and equipment. For SCH, party will die for lack of healing throughput, for WHM party will die from lack of mana.

The core issue with WHMs is mana vs healing throughput. As sharazisspecial says, playing WHM forces you to know your spells, know when to use them and thus learn how to control mana. In all seriousness, for WHM, forgetting to spam Divne Heal and/or Shroud once can kill your mana.

The core issue with SCH is heals vs time. Basically knowing when to pop your shield is seriously key.

Thus a WHM must know when to heal and when not to heal. Cancel is your friend. And a SCH must learn to out heal burst damage and prevent damage.

FYI, I play both a SCH and a WHM. I prefer WHM as it was my first class and is easier to find groups. Also more geared at ilvl 85 vs ilvl77.

Generally WHM is by far the harder class to play at End Game, but it is more rewarding as if played well can real shine. More maybe is really because when I play as SCH, I gain rage whenever I see other WHM play.

Lastly Mana Song is not only for WHM, it is for SCHs also. The amount of heals end game troll you with, kills the mana of both WHM and SCH. It just that SCH can last longer. But still it i wlll burn out really fast.

But I agree WHM should have more mana regen.

[Marcusow86]

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Did i even for once said that you said WHM is a bad healer?

Let's face it, end game bard is all about Ballad. Foe and Peon is icing.

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A skilled WHM can handles an AOE intensive fight better than an equally skilled SCH. SCH just isn't built to fill the gap of a WHM in-terms of AOE healing.

People must not forget, you cannot hold supreme in all aspect of healing. If you want an edge over something, you lose a little over the other.

SCH loses AOE burst heal in-turn we gain better mana regen. WHM loses mana regen but gain AOE heal that are far superior than SCH's. Which when combined in a grp (SCH + WHM) we complements each other. Everyone have to learn to rely more on each other instead of looking at the healing chart and compare class per class. LIke i said in many other thread, this is not a race to see who top the healing chart.