cool thanks for confirmation txfienbergs, it definitely was NEVER an issue before this patch, i think when they broke of their segments into seperate data centers they didnt do any optimization of routes through their WAN links.... 16 hops seems pretty excessive...

Either way i even tried 'just for $hits and giggles' to disable various troublesome effects in MMO's (shaders, shadows, AA, etc) and didnt help.... just seems to be network related somehow...

will contact verizon tech support, but doubt they will do anything either, just trying to raise awareness..