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  1. #21
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    TaalAzura's Avatar
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    Taal Kheru
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    Gilgamesh
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    Carpenter Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Rockaholic View Post
    All on Vit as our dmg reduction is not as good as pld.
    Most of the bosses at ex mode take huge chunks of war's health. And also healers would have less stress keeping wars alive during pugs
    If you can keep hate without BB combo from DPS+enmity buff of defiance, your self heals will do 10% more form maintaining your SE+SP combos, not to mention the added DPS
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  2. #22
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    Teleniel's Avatar
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    Tele Nariel
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    Goblin
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 60
    30 Vit points = 450 HP... bump that up to 665~HP with defiance active. If you go through a fight without being under 665HP, you have 30 wasted VIT points.
    30 Str points... some damage (minor), some mitigation (0~1% through parry), some enmity generation (shouldn't matter)

    All in all, it is EASIER to go 30 Vit. Then you rock Darklight/Myth/Allagn accessories for tanking, and HQ melded with offensive stats when you don't need the HP boost.
    The *extra* boost you get from 30 Str + HQ offensive accessories isn't going to make a huge difference in a DPS check unless you out gear the content anyway.

    That being said I don't bring my War for top-tier end game content (Ultima / Turn 1 / Turn 2 / Crystal Tower ... HM primals) so I went 30 STR and have no problems with it it just makes mid-range/easy content easier. If I was going to attempt turn 4/5 tanking I would reallocate my points and "turtle up".
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  3. #23
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    Gamemako's Avatar
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    Elysia Mazda
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    Coeurl
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    Armorer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Rockaholic View Post
    All on Vit as our dmg reduction is not as good as pld.
    WAR has higher eHP than PLD now for pretty much all situations. They are roughly equivalent for most content. The number look bigger going both ways, but they are effectively almost identical.

    Quote Originally Posted by Teleniel View Post
    30 Vit points = 450 HP... bump that up to 665~HP with defiance active.
    It's a 25% HP boost, not 50%.
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  4. #24
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    Vactus's Avatar
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    Vactus Serakai
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    Faerie
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Your main DPS combo is butchers block, guess you don't know that though. BB has the highest damage potency.
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  5. #25
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    Kunkka Ironprice
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    Cactuar
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    Archer Lv 50
    Max STR. Depending on the fight, you should just changed which accessories you use. i90 melee dps, i90 tanking or overmelded gryphonskin. With STR accessories + spec, you can probably put out around/little under BRD dps in total. With dps cooldowns up, you can put out MNK dps for burst phases. For pvp, speccing vit makes no sense either. 8.3k HP is enough when you need it and having more STR is always better than more unnecessary vit.
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  6. #26
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    DenzelTaru's Avatar
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    Denzel Taru
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    Ragnarok
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    Arcanist Lv 51
    Quote Originally Posted by Vactus View Post
    Your main DPS combo is butchers block, guess you don't know that though. BB has the highest damage potency.
    this may be the case and i do put it in the rotation.. but cycling between the storms gives me mitigation and a damage buff anyway.. i tend to do BB combo > storm combo (one that debuffs slashing i always forget which is which ie eye / path) > berserk > unchained > infuriate > inner beast > the other storm combo > repeat both storm combos > then into BB again.. this works for me and i really like doing it this way i would rather keep the mobs debuffed than try to go full DPS.. my point about being in a DPS rotation and out DPSing was considering my 20STr which is now 30VIT (that and i consider the storms to be the best DPS rotation because of the constant buffs and debuffs)
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  7. #27
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    Kori Fleming
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    Cerberus
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    Marauder Lv 80
    Only spec STR when you completely out gear the content you're doing. Otherwise, if you want to do more DPS, get HQ DPS accessories. Going full STR when you're undergeared is just being risky and putting stress on your healers. Don't do that.

    There's basically no point in going 30 VIT in 2.1 once you have full i90, that extra HP cushion isn't really doing you a lot of good at that point. Once 2.2 hits I'd respec for 30 VIT again, though.
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  8. #28
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    Elysia Mazda
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    Coeurl
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    Armorer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Vactus View Post
    Your main DPS combo is butchers block, guess you don't know that though. BB has the highest damage potency.
    Highest-DPS rotation is BB-SE alternating with Fracture dropped in when possible. It's also a combination you'll rarely use anymore as it applies only to OT with WAR MT. If you're OT on PLD MT, it's almost certainly going to be SE-SP to keep up SE and SP both for MT. If you're MT, it's BB-BB-SP (most 8-player content) or BB-SE-SP (most 4-player content). The only reason you'd roll BB-SE on OT with WAR MT is that MT already has SP covered.

    Quote Originally Posted by SpookyGhost View Post
    There's basically no point in going 30 VIT in 2.1 once you have full i90, that extra HP cushion isn't really doing you a lot of good at that point. Once 2.2 hits I'd respec for 30 VIT again, though.
    I would argue that the current endgame content is enough to warrant use of 30 VIT over STR. You're already sacrificing 21-25 with illvl70 accessories, and Twintania doesn't hit for 20 damage.
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    Last edited by Gamemako; 12-26-2013 at 06:21 PM.

  9. #29
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    Kratos Deimos
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    Tonberry
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by TaalAzura View Post
    If you can keep hate without BB combo from DPS+enmity buff of defiance, your self heals will do 10% more form maintaining your SE+SP combos, not to mention the added DPS
    That is a huge "If".
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  10. #30
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    Raezaiel Tahn
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    Balmung
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    I can't speak for WAR but I had to switch from 30 STR as paladin to 30 VIT not because I had any trouble tanking but because people said my gear was bad and freaked out. Same people 2 hours after I reallocated, same gear, no complaints. I'll probably switch back. TBH it doesn't really affect anything either way once you have semi decent gear. Like others said, whatever you like best.
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