Crystal Tower: Do we really have to wait 6 months just to enter the actual tower?

[Worm]

I am asking in the OP for peoples opinion. All you did was voice your opinion and assumed it was what most people feel.

Honestly the level of semantics here is staggering. I guess I'll just need to stop communicating with people earlier when they pull this stuff in the future, but there's a distinct difference between saying "I think most people don't care" and saying "I know most people don't care". I can think most people don't care (and be wrong, who cares) and draw that conclusion based on previous experience with MMOs or the fact that most of the people in here who agree with you are flailing over semantics and esoteric points about what really qualifies as the real Crystal Tower.

This idea that I can't have an opinion on whether people care about this or not without knowing everyone else's opinion is simply crazy. I tend to think if many people were bothered by this then better and more coherent representatives of your point of view would have to show up. Even though I disagree you you've nearly compelled me to simply start pretending I agree and arguing your point for you so you'll have access arguments that make sense, rather than hyperbole like "oh you think people don't care, well have you asked each of them?"

edit: Does editing a post paginate the thread at some point?

[Tiggy]

We'll if they weren't going to include the crystal tower then why call it crystal tower? They advertised more than they delivered for 2.1, that is the problem. And it is the loot mechanics more than anything that will cause this content to last. People will run this dungeon because they can only get 1 item a week from it.

In no way did they advertise for more than they delivered. Before it launched they told us very specifically that more content would come in later patches. Specifically every other patch would add to the CT. If this didn't make it abundantly clear to you that the entirety of the tower wasn't to be included then I know of no cure for your version of obliviousness to the obvious. You're argument completely hinges on the fact that the part of the tower we have access to is called the Labyrinth of the Ancients. I don't know about most people here but when I goto Disney World I know it's a giant superstructure that in it's entirety is called Disney World. Epcot is Disney World, The Magic Kingdom is Disney World, etc etc. Just because I goto the magic kingdom does not mean I failed to goto Disney World just because it has a different name. The labyrinth and the tower are part of one super structure unanimously known as "The Crystal Tower." Get over the nomenclature because it isn't helping make the argument any better. It doesn't change the content. It doesn't change anything.

[Kallera]

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Look, I agree with Lolo, ok? I wasn't satisfied with what was offered up and advertised all the way up to 2.1 as "The Crystal Tower." I wasn't satisfied with a lot in 2.1. If you want to claim that technically in the right light after playing FF3 you were adventuring inside the Crystal Tower in FFXIV, go right ahead, but I did not get that experience. Not last week, this week, or now.

To be fair, how strong of an argument is it that in order to be satisfied with the content this game I have to play other games before it? Shouldn't Eorzea be able to stand on its own as a game?

[Tiggy]

Look, I agree with Lolo, ok? I wasn't satisfied with what was offered up and advertised all the way up to 2.1 as "The Crystal Tower." I wasn't satisfied with a lot in 2.1. If you want to claim that technically in the right light after playing FF3 you were adventuring inside the Crystal Tower, go right ahead, but I did not get that experience. Not last week, this week, or now.

To be fair, how strong of an argument is it that in order to be satisfied with the content this game I have to play other games before it? Shouldn't Eorzea be able to stand on its own as a game?

This is the exact problem. You aren't arguing about the content. You're arguing about a name. You aren't talking about the 4 bosses or the loot or the dungeon contents or pacing or anything like that at all. You aren't talking about the actual content what-so-ever. All you care about is the name. You want to discuss the content? Then discuss the actual content because so far all you're doing is splitting hairs about the specific title. It comes across as very petty.

Lastly, I never played FF3. I never played the original tower. In no way, shape, or form has that hindered my enjoyment of FFXIV's tower what-so-ever. The lore as presented works great in FFXIV and it stands on its own.

[Kallera]

This is the exact problem. You aren't arguing about the content. You're arguing about a name. You aren't talking about the 4 bosses or the loot or the dungeon contents or pacing or anything like that at all. You aren't talking about the actual content what-so-ever. All you care about is the name. You want to discuss the content? Then discuss the actual content because so far all you're doing is splitting hairs about the specific title. It comes across as very petty.

I. Was not. Satisfied. With. The Content. There was not enough of it. I am ALSO not satisfied that we must wait 6 months before actually going inside the Crystal Tower in content advertised as "Crystal Tower." Why? Because, In my opinion, there was not enough content.

[Tiggy]

I. Was not. Satisfied. With. The Content. There was not enough of it. I am ALSO not satisfied that we must wait 6 months before actually going inside the Crystal Tower in content advertised as "Crystal Tower." Why? Because, In my opinion, there was not enough content.

That's still not a discussion about the content. It's simply voicing displeasure that there wasn't more. News flash. Players always want more content. That doesn't mean you stating the obvious counts as a content discussion. Talk about the bosses. The quality of the drops. The particular fight mechanics of the fights. All of that would be a content discussion because it's about the actual content. You're just whining because you feel entitled to more for some childish reason.

[Krystalynn]

For a pay to play mmo, there is way too little content and not enough to do with what we have. There is barely any gear, it's... ugh. Then you have people defending it like FFXI was their only mmo and they have no experience with anything else on the market. CT should have been there at launch... we're getting launch content and then told to wait nine months to get a continuation floor of a dungeon. It's depressing...

[LoLo]

In no way did they advertise for more than they delivered. Before it launched they told us very specifically that more content would come in later patches. Specifically every other patch would add to the CT.

They showed images of the inside of the Crystal Tower, not just the Ancient Maze. That is advertising what was not put into 2.1.

Also the Ancient Maze does not equal Crystal Tower. The Ancient Maze is around the tower with a grassy area separating it from the Crystal Tower. When you finish the Ancient Maze in FFIII you are shown on the world map between the Ancient Maze and the Crystal Tower. You can even save your game while you are on the map at the spot. It is a separate building. It is not like Eureka which is part of the Crystal Tower since it is inside of it.

[Tupsi]

Those of you defending this - Did you know? Yoshi stated Crystal Tower would be so huge that you have to save progress in between sessions (note: play sessions, not 3-6 month span updates)? If LoTA is "The Crystal Tower as well", he needs a different definition of huge.

Worm - You say people argue semantics, I bet your response would be: "Well he didn't say "at release".." he also didn't say LoTA would be the only part of CT released now, they delayed it 5 months, they could have released more since all they did was rebalance it to make it DFable. Honestly though, now that they admit they're behind schedule that plan also likely changed.

[ApolloGenX]

Sorry- these "LoTA is "technically" part of the Crystal Tower" statements are really strainin to do some splainin' as to why we were sold a Crystal Tower raid... and we aren't in the Tower.

LoTA is actually something I expected to be an unlocking 4 man quest type thing to be that setup the raid story- I did NOT think it would BE the raid. As far as "but we knew it would be incrementally released".

Ok fine, but for a dungeon that was supposed to be ready at release, I expected to get to the TOWER. Sure, maybe there would be unaccessable upper floors to be released.... maybe other "spires" released later- whatever. I did not expect a tiny little 4 bosses with a cutscene that literally shows you looking at the FOOT of the TOWER... saying "Man it sure would be cool to be able to go there!"

-"But Cid, TECHNICALLY we are in the tower now!"

Cid: No- that is the tower right there.... through that window... see it? See that huge tower? That's the tower. We are here, not there.

Cid: Looks like we were wrong guys, this isn't a Hero of Light... turns out he/she is really kind of a derp. Better start looking for a new hero.