Crystal Tower: Do we really have to wait 6 months just to enter the actual tower?

[Holyhunter]

The crystal tower was advertised as the Crystal Tower, not Crystal Tower: Labyrinth That Is Some Distance Away From The Crystal Tower. It has pictures of multiple bosses planned that we're upcoming. It was hyped as climbing the tower even in one of the blogs.

We haven't entered the crystal tower yet as of 2.1. Those pictures of Amon and crew? Likely years away from being in the game. Are you willing to wait that long?

Because it's looking like it will be one dungeon length raid every 6 months. With looting rules it's only means of longevity that make it more than the average df romp.

Concept art is not them saying ALL THIS STUFF WILL BE IN AT THE LAUNCH OF THE RAIDS

[Kirosuu]

yeayyyyyyyy today i got onion legs for my dragoons

also for next live letter why dont ask yoshi p about crystal tower update? maybe he change his mind

[Kallera]

Concept art is not them saying ALL THIS STUFF WILL BE IN AT THE LAUNCH OF THE RAIDS

You know what is also not in at the launch of the raids?

The Crystal Tower. It makes for pretty background, but man, I can't wait until that Crystal Tower gets included in the Crystal Tower. I can see it now: A little crystal, some towers...You'd think that would be important to put in when you're calling a raid "Crystal Tower."

[Kezy_Kaatapoh]

So... they said it was supposed to be in at release... it wasn't. But the issues customers have is their own fault because their expectations were different from the facts stated by devs?

No, they said the start of CT was supposed to be in release. They have been saying for quite a while that it would be styled like Coil in that it wouldn't all be released at once. Also, the Labyrinth of the Ancients, to most fans of the series, may as well be the same thing AS the Crystal Tower. Considering the whole thing is supposed to be a bit of fan service for the game, leaving out LotA would have disappointed some fans, me included. Those two things, being separated like Coil and how much of a part LotA was to Crystal Tower, meant it should've been quite easy to figure out their plan.

Personally, I expected what showed up. I'm quite happy with it, and them marketing only Crystal Tower, to me, implies LotA as well. They aren't separate to me and they were hardly separated in the game they came from.

Crystal Tower was never meant to allow you into the actual Crystal Tower at the beginning? Ok, well you see: He stated we'd have a four man dungeon prior to entering the Crystal Tower and The Crystal Tower would be a 24 man raid, not the labyrinth of ancients - So no one is really arguing semantics, in their choice to delay the content..they changed everything. Labyrinth of the Ancients is still obviously designed as a small dungeon (in scope) to be done before the meat of the content but they re-provisioned it.

So ms. Kezy, we were given facts - They simply changed by implementation.

That wasn't at all my point of arguing semantics. LotA basically is a part of the Crystal Tower. If you play FFIII, that is quite clear. If they were to implement Crystal Tower without it, it just wouldn't feel right. See above as to why you should have expected it in the first place. By the way, I'd like to see where what you said was mentioned because I've never heard that. Also, not a fan of the attitude. I'm just having a nice discussion here. It's better to be friends than jumping down each other's throats (b^_^)b

Edit: My point has been summed up well. Listen to Tiggy below me here :P

[Tiggy]

People here are too caught up on semantics. The labyrinth and the tower are intrinsically linked. One does not exist without the other. Just because this part is called a Labyrinth and the tower is called the tower doesn't change the fact they are one facility as a whole. People need to get over this semantic crap and just try to enjoy a dungeon that has as much if not more content than the entirety of the coil.

Lastly just to poke.

...no one cares if it is more content or less content than coil.

Some people here are literally complaining about exactly this. How do you stand without that leg?

[LoLo]

I cannot believe a thread by someone making posts like this is still standing. I said I think most people don't care, you think most people do care, have you taken the time to ask all the players?

This thread is asking players what they think. No where did I say I believe most people think like me. I am asking in the OP for peoples opinion. All you did was voice your opinion and assumed it was what most people feel.

[Xerich]

You know what is also not in at the launch of the raids?

The Crystal Tower. It makes for pretty background, but man, I can't wait until that Crystal Tower gets included in the Crystal Tower. I can see it now: A little crystal, some towers...You'd think that would be important to put in when you're calling a raid "Crystal Tower."

If you would have bothered to read the quests and watch the cutscenes, you would know that we're in the process of accessing the tower.

Notice the current raid is called "Labryinth of the Ancients"? We're simply making progress past the security systems put in place.

Calm down.

[Kallera]

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Excuse me for seeing the videos for one place and not immediately assuming it is some other place entirely. I kept seeing Crystal Tower being advertised. I suppose next time a new raid is announced, say, new turns for the Binding Coils, I'll remember in my head "wait Kall! Remember the Crystal Tower! Clearly they mean the not-so-dangerous cornfields of the Site B entrance for the Binding Coils, just outside of Castle Oriens. Why, they're so intrinsically linked, they have to be the same thing!"

If you would have bothered to read the quests and watch the cutscenes, you would know that we're in the process of accessing the tower.

Notice the current raid is called "Labryinth of the Ancients"? We're simply making progress past the security systems put in place.

Calm down.

I'm sorry, When one advertises a specific location for raiding to be available in an update, i'm of the opinion that the location at least start to be available on the update.

In other words, when one releases content calling it "The Crystal Tower", you include content that includes your Crystal Tower. You don't leave it out for later, or if you have to, you call it something you are putting in. As it stands, this is a artwork with just the sketch. Our Crystal Tower lacks Crystal Tower.

Revolutionary stuff, I know.

[Tiggy]

Excuse me for seeing the videos for one place and not immediately assuming it is some other place entirely. I kept seeing Crystal Tower being advertised..."

The tower and the Labyrinth are the same structure. You're just splitting hairs. If I'm on a boat and I stand on the bridge is that somehow not part of the boat? Just because it has a different name does not make it any less a part of the same overall structure. All you give a damn about is nomenclature. That has absolutely nothing to do with the 4 boss long dungeon that we got. If it was in the tower or in a giant hole in the ground does nothing to change the fact the content contains several loot drops, fun trash mob sections, and several fun bosses. Nomenclature is NOT content. Only the content is content. Everyone is too hell bent on simply splitting hairs.

[Kallera]

The tower and the Labyrinth are the same structure. You're just splitting hairs. If I'm on a boat and I stand on the bridge is that somehow not part of the boat? Just because it has a different name does not make it any less a part of the same overall structure. All you give a damn about is nomenclature. That has absolutely nothing to do with the 4 boss long dungeon that we got. If it was in the tower or in a giant hole in the ground does nothing to change the fact the content contains several loot drops, fun trash mob sections, and several fun bosses. Nomenclature is NOT content. Only the content is content. Everyone is too hell bent on simply splitting hairs.

We'll if they weren't going to include the crystal tower then why call it crystal tower? They advertised more than they delivered for 2.1, that is the problem. And it is the loot mechanics more than anything that will cause this content to last. People will run this dungeon because they can only get 1 item a week from it.