Any tip for SCH to gain back mp during intense EX primals fight?

[Alise]

As topic, the SCH in my party has trouble during these end-game fight where it require high mp consumption for healing tank, while give low time to recover.

Usually the regular tip is Aetherflow and Energy Drain, but he said that he couldn't recover enough with those. He also said that he doesn't have time for it.

If anybody can give specific detail, I will be appreciated.

[Tinker]

Aetherflow and Energy drain are both instacast, so if he doesn't have time for that. Which fight is he having problems with? What is his iLvL? Just finished an ex-Garuda and had zero mana issues. Have yet to try ifrit or titan.

[Tinker]

* Micromanage your pet. Seriously, manually spam that suckers heal spell on whomever needs it.
* Aetherflow even if you still have stacks left unless you have a heavy healing segment coming up. In that case save your stacks until used, then Aetherflow, then use more stacks.
*When you need to aoe heal, Rouse, Fey Illumination, wait about half a second, Succor, and Whispering Dawn. After which, top everyone off with embrace and physik's if they need it.
* Remeber that there is another healer! You shouldn't have to worry about AoE healing too much - thats the white mages forte, our AoE's are piddly and expensive. Note: This rule tends to be broken a lot during heavy healing segments.
* Eat Food. it helps.
* Mana Potions. if you REALLY need MP, buy a couple of these, and use them BEFORE you run out.
* And finally, ask the bard for a Mana Song when they healers are low mp.

Probably lots of extra stuff he can do, but that's the basics.

[Alise]

From his case, he has issue on the Garuda EX. There is a little conflict on that there is only one bard, and we doesn't sure if the bard should do -def% song or mp song, because it seem that we could kill garuda add-on on time when he sing -def song, but 50-50% chance when it was mp song case.

Summary detail :
I m whm with mp 4800. (never have mp issue during whole fight, and I beat EX garuda before with other pt. Having trouble atm to help my own friends beat it)
My friend is sch with mp 4200. He said that if not use mp song for him then he will not have enough mp to last whole fight. (is there anything could improve?)
the DPS group are well-gear, but they aren't 100% in winning all add-on before time up, unless the bard use Foe Requiem. (-def%)

So the situation now is that we don't know which song to priority, and if there is any trick to help SCH help his own mp management or not.

[Alice_89th]

* * Aetherflow even if you still have stacks left unless you have a heavy healing segment coming up. In that case save your stacks until used, then Aetherflow, then use more stacks.

If Aetherflow will not get you up to full MP I would try to use the stacks before using Aetherflow. If you have time to Aetherflow you have time to use Energy Drain.

Also, use Adloqium sparingly (if you are not doing so already). If you need to constantly spam heals Physick is probably better because of the lower MP cost, even if you don't add a shield this way.

[DreamWeaver]

Whose healing the Garuda + 1 add combo?
In my group, I (WHM) heal the MT tanking Garuda + 1 add, and I holy the plumes as well, but of course I do need MP song, but only for a while (after killing both adds, mp song goes up, after the RECKONING, mp song goes down).

If your scholar really cannot handle the mp issue, I suggest asking the bard to mp song during down time period (IE, inside the vortex), and Foe song during dps check period?
But honestly speaking, it seems to be a playstyle issue, you can use your bard to cover his/her weakness, but it is highly recommended he/she learn how to manage her MP properly as a scholar.

[Calyanare]

1. Set fairy to Obey, and either manually spam Embrace on a hotkey, or macro Embrace to your own heals (the latter is what I do).

2. Don't use Succor to top people off. Use it pre-emptively (and conservatively!) or not at all. AoE healing is the WHM's primary job. If your mana is low and the WHM's isn't, you are probably doing too much AoE healing. You can help by shielding beforehand, but if the damage is done, Succor won't really help matters. I cast it only if the shield has worn off on at least half the party, and I know some AoE damage is incoming. Never cast Succor more than once in a row unless the WHM is dead or OOM. Another thing you can do, if you have Eos out (which you probably do), is Rouse > Fey Illumination > Whispering Dawn. It's about as good as Medica II (after 2.1 anyway), and you can do it every minute.

3. If your mana is getting low, dial back a bit on Adloquium. If you're using it every other Physick, start using it after every 2 Physicks, etc. at least until you can Aetherflow again.

4. Lustrate. A LOT. It's a much better use of an Aetherflow charge (in most cases) than Sacred Soil. In Garuda Extreme I save one Aetherflow to pop Sacred Soil over the top of the Spiny Plume bubble, but even this might actually be overkill until a couple of cycles in. If your Aetherflow is off cooldown and you still have stacks, Lustrate someone. Anyone. Until those stacks are gone. And Aetherflow again. The only exception to this is when you know a big hit is coming in on someone within the next 10-15 seconds, then you can save it. Otherwise, use it on cooldown every single time.

5. Make sure the tank is dodging everything he possibly can. Yeah, this isn't something you have direct control over, but if he's standing in Slipstream all the time, he's making your life unnecessarily difficult.

[hamsteak]

i haven't attempted ifrit or titan ex yet, but for garuda i had little to no mp issues.. (i even dpsed during the plume phases)

is he spamming adloquium or something?

[Alise]

If your scholar really cannot handle the mp issue, I suggest asking the bard to mp song during down time period (IE, inside the vortex), and Foe song during dps check period?
But honestly speaking, it seems to be a playstyle issue, you can use your bard to cover his/her weakness, but it is highly recommended he/she learn how to manage her MP properly as a scholar.

Is it possible for bard to turn On/Off song like that every loop? Does the song has cool down? If this is possible, it would be ideal, because we can have mp song and Foe Requiem song from the same bard at different phase.

[Calyanare]

The songs don't have a cooldown per se, but they consume the bard's MP. If he runs out of MP, the song ends.