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  1. #111
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    ApolloGenX's Avatar
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    Galen Amaranthe
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    OP- No offense, but didn't you go whm after constantly posting how weak SCH heals were???

    Was the grass not greener afterall?
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  2. #112
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    Lorie Lin
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Even if the WHM just uses single heals, compared to the SCH he will run oom after some time. Thats the unfairness actually. Noone said WHM should be able to spam aoe heals all the time. In my opinion there is a change needed.
    There is no need to fight who the better healer is. So far my experiences are that in all kind of end-content situations i always prefer WHM/SCH. I never wished for a WHM/WHM or a SCH/SCH combo. Never. WHM/SCH is the absolute dream-team.
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  3. #113
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    Sebazy's Avatar
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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    Ragnarok
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by sharazisspecial View Post
    Have you not been in a situation where a few people take unexpected damage right before tulmults/garuda ulti/hellfire? You try to cure2,cure3 or medica them but they die anyway due to the heal not being quick enough
    If I couldn't save them with a 1.93 second cure, chances are I wouldn't get them with a 1.88 either. But yes, you are right in that the effect from any secondary stat is entirely mundane and more psychological than real.
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    ~ WHM / badSCH / Snob ~ http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/871132/ ~

  4. #114
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    sharazisspecial's Avatar
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    Bunny Boo
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    Excalibur
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    Conjurer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by ApolloGenX View Post
    OP- No offense, but didn't you go whm after constantly posting how weak SCH heals were???

    Was the grass not greener afterall?
    I started sch because i had all other jobs 50 . Switched over to whm because the other healer in my static is sch.

    SCH pre fairy fix had much less healing potential then they do now, their fairy ai and control was awful. With all the changes sch recieved , they are much different then release sch. In fact after the hotfix i made post about how sch was now an amazing tank and spot healer in comparison to whm.

    Actually i do like whm more then sch. But i can see the design flaws. Such as the 2 points i mentioned and the reduced mana efficiency from the medica 2 nerf.
    I see you choose to take a shot instead of actually adding to the discussion. Like quite a few scholars in this thread.

    Not once in my posts did i say nerf sch, sch op and whm is underpowered in comparison to sch . I just said sch was designed better.

    SE may of decided to fix sch fairy control because of forums. They can also see now how whm would like to have more synergy with a secondary stat. Also how our presence of mind could be swapped out for a more dynamic ability.

    From the start of the game i said how barebones whm is and how they barely had any flavour to it in comparison to other mmo healers like wow priest or even old ffxi whm. No haste, no blink ,no sacred prism etc. The enjoyment comes from the actual encounters and doing it with friends rather then the job itself.
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    Last edited by sharazisspecial; 12-24-2013 at 06:41 AM.

  5. #115
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    Marcusow86's Avatar
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    Natsu Sousuke
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Bigpurpleharness View Post
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    I am not bitter, i am fine/happy actually that our pet no longer hinders our heal, they complement not only me but also my WHM partner in healing when we needed it. Please check in which statement did i classify SoS as infinite mp and then we can take it from there. You look like you are the bitter one, actually you should be, after all you are no longer on the top of the healing chart. *for those who did not get the sarcasm*

    Quote Originally Posted by Eriane View Post
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    1. I guess you mean your Medica II Nerf, nope, you will still need to only cast ONE Medica II like you always do, there is a reason another healer is in the group, be it SCH or WHM, they are suppose to heal half of the dmg as well. This is not a race to top the healing chart, trust your other half of healer to do their job.

    2. I don't think SCH is underpowered never did mentioned about SCH being underpowered NOW. We are ONCE, but that is due to our pet being broken as hell.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lorilin View Post
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    You are right, the best combination is SCH/WHM, never the same type of healer. They complement each other, this game is about team work. It is never a race to top healing chart. Pre-patch SCH suffers for quite some time due to pet being broken. We went to the forum to address this issue and were shunted away by our fellow WHM telling us we are fine, working as intended (pet), l2p, etc. But look at whm now, they are doing the exact same thing we are doing previously. We are suppose to support each other (previously i came here thinking my fellow WHM healer would back me up but i was wrong)

    WHM can run oom is because your SoS is somewhat underpowered, this much i can derive. IMO, they should be based on % of mana over X sec instead of a fix amount of mana regen.
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    Last edited by Marcusow86; 12-24-2013 at 12:11 PM.

  6. #116
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    Lucipurr's Avatar
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    Estrella Light
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    Ragnarok
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    I'm not a great Scholar but I usually find myself outhealing a better geared and skilled WHM by quite a margin, because of my unlimited mp. (people keep parsing my hps for some reason, so thats how I know). Anyone else notice the large HPS difference too? Maybe parsers are inaccurate.
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  7. #117
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    DreamWeaver's Avatar
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    Lucidia Dreamweaver
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    Tonberry
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    White Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucipurr View Post
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    I can't speak for other WHMs, but personally, if the tank is in no danger of dying, I will just throw up a regen, and let the SCH heal up the auto attack damage, I will only start healing the tank during critical phases, for some examples:
    1) Titan HM Post Heart, bombs + landslide + Mountain buster period.
    2) Garuda HM, when add spawn
    3) Ultima HM, laser spawn
    4) Garuda EM, add spawn
    5) Titan EM, bomb + add phase

    I am doing the above, to conserve my mana for these important phases, no point wasting your mana if your partner can easily solo heal for easier phases :P. Naturally, my HPS is always lower compared to the scholar, but when things go south, I know I'll have the MP to bring it back north .

    Additionally, HPS is an extremely poor way to judge the performance of a healer, so if there's anyone in your group use that as an performance indicator, please slap him/her for me
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    Last edited by DreamWeaver; 12-24-2013 at 03:58 PM.

  8. #118
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    Wilbow's Avatar
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    Wolff Umbra
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    Leviathan
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    White Mage Lv 70
    Patch Notes, 2.2:

    - The spell "Presence of Mind" has been removed and replaced with a passive.
    - Presence of Mind (Passive): Increases the effect of spell speed by 50%. Grants the caster a chance equal to %reduction in GCD to have a healing spell cost no mana.
    - Heal I now has a 20% chance to proc Improved Cure, which either grants the user 50% increased healing on the next Cure II or Cure III. Lasts 15 seconds.
    - Freecure and Overcure are removed.
    - Shroud of Saints was not scaling with piety; this has been fixed. White mages should find their mana regen from this ability increased.
    - The mana regen from Mage's Ballad has been decreased by 50%. The developers have found that this song allows for trivialization of certain mechanics; in addition, the dependency of healers (especially white mages) on this song has prevented proper balancing of bards. We will be granting bards additional utility to compensate for this change.

    Oh well, a man can dream, can't he?
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  9. #119
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    Euphe Liefe
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    Hyperion
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Not bad ideas.
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  10. #120
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    Waliel Hla
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    Cerberus
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Segata View Post
    10 crit is 1% crit. 1% crit is a .5% HPS increase, again basic math.
    I would just like to chip in that 10 crit is more like 0.7% crit.
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