Messin' with Sas....quare Enix FFXIV Botters: Volume 1

[Peregrine]

peregrine is a bit zealous and tends to over emphasize everything, but fact is, its a bot, it appears to have access to game hacks, not just run of the mill botting programs. Seems like a serious issue SE needs to make themselves aware of, most importantly the hacks. Since his method of killing them is letting the bot spam claim, i dont see how he can be responsible.


But other than you not liking him and his tone, what is really your point? are you saying that this is not a bot? are you saying that he should leave bots alone? what is it exactly you object to? making people aware of exploits? i dont see why you are decrying him.

He will claim that he is an employee who handles RMT and cheating reports, and that all your witch hunting and ignorant perspectives are making him do his job. How does THAT work?

He thinks he has an insider's perspective, when honestly it's probably just made up. Working in a anti-cheating department and siding with the cheaters is like...well...it's so stupid that it doesn't even need an analogy.

Vahzl works for Moe, even if he gets paid by a company who Moe parasitizes.

[Peregrine]

dude it said it right before you claimed... thats all I am saying. you obviously did something to leave combat which allowed the bot to claim, they cant steal your claims.

Haha well you feel free to point me to the leave combat button.
The message is a result of losing the claim. Not proof that I did or didn't do something.
I'm staring that coblyn in the face, and it's red. I heal myself. It goes unclaimed.

And like I said, I don't give a **** if it stole my coblyn or not. I never said that even mattered.
You keep trying to argue to a strawman. Your underlying point is irrelevant.

My guess is your underlying point is you don't like me.
Well, I don't care.

I don't even have to argue that the bot steals coblyns. It doesn't. That's simply the only fight you're capable of winning here, so you try to pick it.

For whatever reason.

[Point_Zero]

I am not trying to win any sort of fight, I apologize if I misunderstood the point of the thread. Honestly, I thought it was another "OMG Bots steal my claim thread". My bad dude, I was just pointing out that the bot did not steal your claim that is all. Lol My bad

[Vahzl]

He will claim that he is an employee who handles RMT and cheating reports, and that all your witch hunting and ignorant perspectives are making him do his job. How does THAT work?

He thinks he has an insider's perspective, when honestly it's probably just made up. Working in a anti-cheating department and siding with the cheaters is like...well...it's so stupid that it doesn't even need an analogy.

Vahzl works for Moe, even if he gets paid by a company who Moe parasitizes.

You realise that this whole claim stealing thing would require a program that can hack INTO the SE servers? You do realise how ridiculous your claim is right? Bots work by adjusting client side locations and decisions, that the server then updates once it has received the information. It is not possible for a bot to steal a claim from another player, as there is nothing in the game files that would allow this command to take place. It would also red flag very quickly if it even was possible.

Yes you might have found a bot, no you have not found a hacker.

Also why do you continue to point the finger at me? Referring to the witch hunts of salem, anyone could turn on someone and yell "witch witch", and have them condemned for it too. This reaction was usually a result of an accused witch coming at them with an argument they couldn't answer for.

What you have here with Peregrine is a snapping animal, cornered and angry. Desperately trying to survive on their wild claims.

I don't care what you think is correct about me, I know what I do, and I know how I play, your judgement on me means nothing, as I simply don't care enough about you.

However, you wind up so easily.

[Vahzl]

My guess is your underlying point is you don't like me.
Well, I don't care.

Then why are you still arguing with him?

[Kallera]

Which GM action would you trust more; one that recognizes the bot problem and does something about the reports of the offending player, before persuing action on peregine, or one that drags their feet on the bots but swoops in and silences peregine for the youtube videos?

It'd be suicde for SE itself to look like they're defending the bots, and at the same time, a witch hunt would spiral out of control, but the only reason said calls are being made is because it seems like nothing is being done. If Eorzea is lawless, people will call for vigilantism, even if it is against the law, because some justice is better than none.

What we need is the law to step in. The STF and GMs must step in, and with visible results. Provide a massacre tally like they did on valentine's day. (We have banned xxxx people, calls of rmt activity have been on the decline, we have taken x billion gil out of circulation, etc.)

Or else all the gm calls and reports will mean nothing, and people like Peregine(even /if/ action is taken against him) will continue to call for action from the players, as long as they see the same bot day in and day out after their report and monitoring.

[Sparker]

You realise that this whole claim stealing thing would require a program that can hack INTO the SE servers? You do realise how ridiculous your claim is right? Bots work by adjusting client side locations and decisions, that the server then updates once it has received the information. It is not possible for a bot to steal a claim from another player, as there is nothing in the game files that would allow this command to take place. It would also red flag very quickly if it even was possible.

Yes you might have found a bot, no you have not found a hacker.

Also why do you continue to point the finger at me? Referring to the witch hunts of salem, anyone could turn on someone and yell "witch witch", and have them condemned for it too. This reaction was usually a result of an accused witch coming at them with an argument they couldn't answer for.

What you have here with Peregrine is a snapping animal, cornered and angry. Desperately trying to survive on their wild claims.

I don't care what you think is correct about me, I know what I do, and I know how I play, your judgement on me means nothing, as I simply don't care enough about you.

However, you wind up so easily.

Oh really? Client side only? Can you tell me where the "hide underground and heal" button is? Your so ignorant... seriously, read the thread.

[Griss]

Man how far do you have to stick your head in the sand to claim that these bots are not using some kind of third party game altering trickery. I mean heck there not even trying to be sneaky about it in the least its right out in the open.

Crafting and gathering bots those could be difficult to spot server side as its all client based. These on the other hand are obviously operating via packets. There was a time when these things had a short shelf life and would be removed rather quickly. these days, not so much. There are a lot of things that need to be done to get this games "House" in order, this is a pretty serious one.

[Firon]

That stuff is pretty possible Ive seen it happen in xi well not claim steal but running thru landmasses etc. you guys remember overlord bangoldek(NM in Davoi inside the caves) or w/e his name is how you had to go thru that stupid long path to get to his pop but if you could walk up a certain cliff you could get there insanely fast use to see RMT and players use this hack all the time.