Siren.....

[EvilJoshy]

I've been to Pharos 3 times using roulette. First time we were all new to it and we got to Siren with 15 mins left. Didn't kill her because of the wipes but still came close. It was more of a learning experience. The 2nd time I had a good party and we killed her with no wipes. The 3rd time, which happened to be earlier tonight, the war and I were the only ones with relic weapons. The drg had garudas spear and maybe 3 dl. The whm had less then 3k hp, 2 dl, and some 47 gear. We died on the first boss three times and twice on the damn bird. Got to siren with 20 mins left. She dropped us once and despite all that we still kicked her ass. In my opinion the hard part is killing the sergents before they grab the healer. When she flys off the screen I tend to run to the center anyway. If she charges I try to avoid it, unlikely, but Id rather not be charmed. Not that I'm dangerous as a charmed smn. All I do is hit people with a book :P
This dungeon isn't extremely hard, the problem is it's new and most people haven't learned it yet. Every time I go to pharos, copperbell, or hauke manor I always get one person saying "I'm new" I don't have a problem with that. We were all newbs at one point but I'm mentioning it to give an example of how often it's happened to me. When you do any dungeon or boss fight for the first time your going to mess up. I also blame SE for this dungeons difficulty vs the rewards. I think the gear this place drops is not as good as the gear you should be wearing when you go to the place. We had some trouble with the adds. The relic war was dmging the boss pretty fast. I would have my add dead or near death but the drg couldn't kill his add fast enough. Wasn't a fair contest really. I had relic, two af2, 1 alleghan, and the rest was df. I don't believe you "should" have you relic in order to go here but it would certainly help :P