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  1. #11
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    TsuchiGnomey's Avatar
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    Tsuchi Gnomey
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    Gilgamesh
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Espon View Post
    Or they're just upset that their Medica 2 regen and Holy do less, even though they're still the best AoE healers and still do pretty high damage for AoE (not to mention the stun).
    Both skills which cost a lot of MP to use for a class that have very little ways to regenerate MP in general. Yes, thats kind of a big deal. :P SCH's AOE heals arent bad if you know how to manage your fairy and you never have MP issues.
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  2. #12
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    jumpypuppet's Avatar
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    Jumpy Puppet
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by TsuchiGnomey View Post
    Both skills which cost a lot of MP to use for a class that have very little ways to regenerate MP in general. Yes, thats kind of a big deal. :P SCH's AOE heals arent bad if you know how to manage your fairy and you never have MP issues.
    succor kinda sucks, dude. even succor + WD isn't anything special. WHM are by far the better aoe healers -- it's just that one of the problems right now is that much of the real endgame content lacks heavy aoe damage, so WHM don't seem as immediately necessary. titan HM doesn't count, and much of coil is single-target healing unless you're hitting the enrage on T4. if new turns come in 2.2 and content is introduced which necessitates heavy AOE healing, WHM will again be in the spotlight.

    *edit* before i get jumped on i don't REALLY mean that succor "sucks." i'm a scholar. i love it for obvious reasons. i'm just saying when you need to get EVERYONE back up from low hp, that's a job for WHM. i can do it, but not nearly as quickly or efficiently.
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  3. #13
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    Tsuchi Gnomey
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    Being only better in AoE healing isnt really a good reason to run WHM over SCH, as leveling up and most dungeons you dont need intense aoe healing. And honestly in situations that you would need it, the MP issue of WHM still is a concern. While when I use SCH microing rouse+WD+Succor works well.
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  4. #14
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    Velo'a Nharoz
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    Mateus
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    Scholar Lv 90
    I think more people would be inclined to play WHM if it wasn't for their damned MP issues that can cripple the class in either high-healing fights, or long-lasting fights. I can understand that SE wants WHM to be AoE healers...but why is their AoE healing punished by such high MP costs?

    Right now SCH is the more "efficient" job to play since 90% of all game heals go to the tank (which SCH excels at), are more independent with MP management (WHM has to rely on BRDs to save their asses), and have lower enmity generation since heals are split between pet and player. This is most likely the reason why people are slowly changing over to SCH. WHM, as it is now, has its perks as a job...but is the grand scheme of the game isn't really necessary.
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  5. #15
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    Natsu Sousuke
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    Tonberry
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Yeah, let's just fix WHM mana issue and have them spam aoe as soon as the fight starts. The game doesn't work that way. WHM excels in AOE heal thus by limiting their mana regen, ensures they cannot spam it. SCH in the other hand excels in Single target heal, we basically have to stay healing single target if we want to enjoy having no mana issue. Try having a SCH spamming AOE heal and you will find him OOM in a few sec as well and our AOE heal isn't even amazing. So IMO, it pretty much is a balance. Stop whining, learn2play :P

    Besides, we gotta let WHM have mana issue to give a reason for BRD to exist in any group, isn't it?
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  6. #16
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    Revii Lagoon
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    Balmung
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    Arcanist Lv 62
    How many good SCH's are there though....Majority of the SCH I see when I am as another class are terrible. SCH and Monk are the hardest classes to play correctly and efficiently, and the good ones really stand above the bad ones....
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  7. #17
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    Velo'a Nharoz
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcusow86 View Post
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    I think you are the one who needs to learn2play bro. First off, no one is attacking anyone, so your sarcasm isn't warranted. Secondly, the limit on "heal spam" is set by enmity generation...NOT MP regen. Don't believe me, spam some AoEs as the tank is pulling and count how long it takes him/her to gain control of the mob(s) (if at all).

    The downside here is that WHM can run into mana issues even when staying with single target healing, while SCH has a free pass on that. WHM heal spells, regardless of them being single-target or AoE, are way too mana costly, and that's the problem. The other problem is WHM traits being lackluster and as situation-oriented as their skills are. WHM should either be fighting enmity as a limit check, or MP as a limit check, but NOT both (since the other caster classes are only limited by 1 of these).

    There are some incredibly easy fixes for WHM.
    - Scale SoS regen rate based on stat or level
    - Change Freecure proc to higher % chance
    - Change Overcure proc to last X seconds and cut enmity generation for each healing spell in half while in duration (it's useless in its current state anyway since Cure III is still very situational)

    Even just 1 of these would make WHM much more viable in end-game.
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  8. #18
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    Neralyte's Avatar
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    Benedicte Courcel
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    Sargatanas
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    rolled SCH on day one and never regretted it. They are fantastic healers, though the fairy can bug out and can cause many headaches when you actually try to order them around. I'm slowly leveling a WHM and can't say for certain whether I like them or not, but after healing endgame for a while now as a SCH, I do at times feel sorry for the WHM healer when they're battling MP issues and balancing threat. Meanwhile, I'm sitting tight on 80% MP and my biggest worry is whether my fairy has bugged out again or not.
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  9. #19
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    S'niryn Knala
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    Adamantoise
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Krisstina View Post
    SCH/SCH in CT is a death sentence~
    lol funny but wrong on every level ;P had a SCH SCH alliance three times now and everytime we were the only alliance able to pull our weight and keep our tanks up! we each focused a tank and shared party heals it was a breeze!

    im sorry but there is no better tank healer than a SCH especially on CT since it make you split your party up a lot anyway if everyone does their job on CT I could easily see it ran without any WHM's at all no offense.
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  10. #20
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    Phai Mui
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    Ragnarok
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Dont u ppl agree that when it comes to endgame content, like coil, the Whm/sch combo is the best solution?
    I think healer roles are the only thing that are close to balanced.

    Other than that, its kinda Nice u can roll the healer/playstyle u like the most, and still bring alot to the tabel and be wanted.

    Main problem imo is that too many ppl just want to have the best job. Pld's just laughed at war (uptil now), take 10 min on dps forums and u gonna see where WW3 is gonna start.

    All healers should just work toward making Whm/sch combo even more sexy
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