SMN Rotations 2.1

[Madoka]

They're off GCD but you still need animation time and server wait to use them which equals into another ruin. I use SF before using RS

And I just tested Shadow flare and it is boosted by RS, so I was wrong there

[Seobit]

I can easily use two off GCD before GCD is done refreshing. I have 10ms latency though so I dunno if its a factor.

As for SF that might be a 2.1 change.

[Madoka]

Yeah, I had thought it wasn't affected since it wasnt before, but it is now neatly. RS > B2 > M > B > fester/contagion > Swift SF > rouse/spur during the SF CD > etc would work pretty well then.

[xxalucard]

Yeah, I had thought it wasn't affected since it wasnt before, but it is now neatly. RS > B2 > M > B > fester/contagion > Swift SF > rouse/spur during the SF CD > etc would work pretty well then.

Rouse/spur should be used either before or after Raging Strikes, otherwise it's a DPS loss (not taking full advantage of Raging Strikes).

Interesting observation about shadowflare being affected by raging strikes now, I'll have to go test that myself.

[Madoka]

The idea is that you'll be on a GCD period anyway from shadow flare. Though while the timing is tight you could attempt to throw SF out at the very end of the RS after fester. If you used it before RS it wouldn't have much time left anyway

[Seobit]

An off gcd ability can't be a dps loss unless you have another better off gcd ability to use, which you don't. You don't lose anything for using rouse and spur during raging strikes during the gcd of a ruin 2 or instant shadowflare, you get just as many damage spells off. Maybe it's different on pad but on keyboard that's how it is.

[xxalucard]

An off gcd ability can't be a dps loss unless you have another better off gcd ability to use, which you don't. You don't lose anything for using rouse and spur during raging strikes during the gcd of a ruin 2 or instant shadowflare, you get just as many damage spells off.

Off GCD abilities in this game are a DPS loss during raging strikes because you cannot cast another spell after using them until at least 1 second passes. The only exception to this is pet abilities (ex. contagion / obey), which can be used simultaneously, or swiftcast+shadowflare (if used at the end RS after the 2nd fester).

While off-GCD skills *should* be able to be used simultaneously as on-GCD skills, they cannot. Rouse and spur are not boosted by raging strikes and cause you to do at least one less spell because each "off-gcd" skill takes at least a second each to go off.

It's a waste to Rouse / Spur during raging strikes; those skills should be used either right before activating it or right after. There's no reason not to practice a good habit.


edit: i understand fester / bane / energy drain are also off-gcd-- those skills, of course, aren't dps losses. I was mainly referring to rouse/spur and cross-class off gcd skills.

[Seobit]

Instant cast skills trigger a 2.35 to 2.5 seconds GCD (depending on spell speed). Off GCD skills have 1 second animations. 1 + 1 = 2 = less than 2.35 = easily fits inside an instant skill's GCD.

[Viridiana]

Instant cast skills trigger a 2.35 to 2.5 seconds GCD (depending on spell speed). Off GCD skills have 1 second animations. 1 + 1 = 2 = less than 2.35 = easily fits inside an instant skill's GCD.

But with the animation lock of the original ability included, it's more like 1+1+1=3.

[Seobit]

Put it however you want, but at 2.42 second recast I can pop both rouse and spur and still have time to spare before my next ruin.