Shield Oath and Threat adjustments

[Lex_Luger]

I have noticed the opposite. I have been MTing and OTing everything from Turns 1-5 to Garuda/Ultima/All new dungeons and have noticed a noticible boost to shield oath. Even if I spam halone I can't pull hate off an equally geared tank when I'm in sword oath, so it seems to me like its working like it actually should.

[ceemonki]

I just did a Hydra and HM Garuda. Both instances i was MT(war) and had a PLD OT. On both fights the PLDS let me MT and switched to Sword Oath. Both runs fight started i hit mob with BB combo x2. PLD pulls hate on both almost immediately. One of the guys was even in my FC and was like telling me he wasn't even trying and I could not even touch him on threat. That was with him in sword oath and me in defiance. I had not noticed anything threat wise from anyone else. Only issue has been these two runs with two different PLDS that OT in sword oath.

The FC mate was same weapon but he had DL chest to my AF/Hoplite. I get there could be a battle of threat but this was a clear runaway. It was yellow on the enemy list and nothing I did would push it to red.

[Altimis]

PLD will never win enmity against WAR

If WAR somehow lose enmity to PLD, its wrong there lol

But what above post to do with thread about "PLD shield oath" ....... ?

[SpookyGhost]

You should be pulling with Infuriate -> Unchained -> Tomahawk -> Berserk -> BB combo -> BB combo -> etc. PLD in SO won't pull hate off you... in fact, no one will.

[Judge_Xero]

Interesting. So you started the instance in stance and it didn't seem to apply the buff. Will have to watch for that ty.

[Wadoka]

As an aside, how do you read relative threat levels, other than watching the enemy lozenges change shape and color? Or is that what you're doing?

I just hit 30 GLD, working on my CNJ levels for my Paladin quest, and I have trouble holding aggro if I'm with an ARC or BRD laying heavy burst smackage. They peel them right off me, and I have to reel them back in with a flurry of work.

[Fyreus]

I know you can pull some decent threat with Sword oath but there is no way someoen shoudl be able to pull that much threat from me as long as i'm not jerkin around...which I wasn't lol.

Just watch it. Wondering if you have Shield oath up in one instance..go into another if it needs to be re-applied. Seemed like once I dropped it and re-applied it I didn't have any issues.

And small game Zdub...that we were in the group together lol.

After the sword oath buff i still ripped hate off of this partially geared tank but i suspect that may be due to weapon rotations and relic crits as well as str gear. The buff is pretty amazing but a real OT dps rotation would have been nice to have too as a tank.

[Darkaeth]

As an aside, how do you read relative threat levels, other than watching the enemy lozenges change shape and color? Or is that what you're doing?

I just hit 30 GLD, working on my CNJ levels for my Paladin quest, and I have trouble holding aggro if I'm with an ARC or BRD laying heavy burst smackage. They peel them right off me, and I have to reel them back in with a flurry of work.

Wadoka, If you look where your HP Bars are of all your party members, you'll see little white bars beneath their names. That is your threat meter. If any of them fill up (aside from yours), you will lose threat on that target. Tab Targeting is your friend with multiple mobs. I personally hate it's placement, and wish the enemy HP Bars (with the threat symbols) were Threat Meters for tanks instead. So you could easily track your threat on all mobs.


As for the subject of this thread. I've noticed the same thing. However, I have a habit of reapply my stance almost every time I enter a dungeon. DK's had a similar issue back in WOW for a while where we had to do the same thing. Was annoying, but It became a habit.

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

I cannot tell the difference in Shield Oath enmity generation between 2.0 and 2.1. In 2.1, went to the striking dummies with a fellow Paladin similarly geared and whomever was in Sword Oath in a straight Rage of Halone combo would pull enmity consistently.

[Soraki-Muppe]

As an aside, how do you read relative threat levels, other than watching the enemy lozenges change shape and color? Or is that what you're doing?

I just hit 30 GLD, working on my CNJ levels for my Paladin quest, and I have trouble holding aggro if I'm with an ARC or BRD laying heavy burst smackage. They peel them right off me, and I have to reel them back in with a flurry of work.

A little tip.
1: Mark all except one mob with a number.
2: Pull by attacking the one you have marked with a 1.
3: Use flash 1-2 times.
This worked for me when I was around that level, except those times they attacked something other then the one marked 1 or blow every cooldown they have followed by nuking during the pull.

On the topic. I have not noticed this, however I will keep an eye open.