Every PVP MMO normalizes gear in PVP

[Ronzeru]

I'm pretty sure the fact that GW2 just came out with new hard to get PVP armor that's meant to be there for people to put a lot of work into.... goes to show that the innovative idea of this 'not being 2004' anymore didn't work.... If you want a game that doesn't have PVP gear in it that you are rewarded with + wear to become even stronger.... instead of changing the game a large majority prefers that style in, in a jpmmorpg.... why not just play in GW2?

[Warthain]

just because wow is doing it, doesnt mean other games need to follow it's example, take out gear progression from pvp, in a game where only crappy arenas exist, then why do them at all? for the fun of it, for nothing really, make it no risk no reward... no nothing, might aswell just take it from the game...

but seriously are you so mad your epic shinies from coil dont work in pvp ? work harder play more do sacrificies like the rest of us pvpers do until we gear up, you just want the easy way out, and for people like you, which do nothing but complain because they got their asses done in hard, go play another game... leave this game pvp alone, has it falls short from being great you still want to make it even worse by giving it no meanning, sure lets do what you want and actually see this game lose a big portion of its players. pve has progression, pvp has progression... you dont like it leave it.

[Ronzeru]

Also the fact WoW started 'doing' stuff like that, if you noticed.... started to 'finally' kill that game. It isn't a good thing. They started catering to people whining, 'make everything equal!' a bit 'too' much, and due to that are shooting themselves in the foot. Hell, some of the shit they changed to be that way, they are changing 'back' due to it. The MMOs that make PVP like that, players get 'bored' of the content REALLY fast. Hence why most of you aren't playing them right now... If you are, then stick to playing them, rather than making this game a clone of them.

[Erudain]

Call of Duty servers are that way ------------>


Everyone is leet

[MageBlack]

PvP forums are that way ------------->

[McStagger]

I agree Shiyo. PvP gear should be visual trophies that show off one's success. It should not determine the outcome of a truly skill based game. Anyone who disagrees with that uses advanced gear as a crutch for a lack of skill.

[Worm]

just because wow is doing it, doesnt mean other games need to follow it's example, take out gear progression from pvp, in a game where only crappy arenas exist, then why do them at all? for the fun of it, for nothing really, make it no risk no reward... no nothing, might aswell just take it from the game...

There's plenty of crap you could dump on a PVP vendor and I really think a lot of people PVP for more than the carrot of new PVP gear.

Also the fact WoW started 'doing' stuff like that, if you noticed.... started to 'finally' kill that game. It isn't a good thing. They started catering to people whining, 'make everything equal!' a bit 'too' much, and due to that are shooting themselves in the foot. Hell, some of the shit they changed to be that way, they are changing 'back' due to it. The MMOs that make PVP like that, players get 'bored' of the content REALLY fast. Hence why most of you aren't playing them right now... If you are, then stick to playing them, rather than making this game a clone of them.

I just don't agree that arena gear normalization is as big of a "make everyone on the same level" thing as you think. What if the Arena system didn't use level sync and instead used a level 40 to 49 bracket? We could apply every argument you're making to keeping that flawed system in place(or maybe you'd prefer that, I dunno)

[zdub303]

A strong ladder system is what most MMO games lack for their pvp. SE needs only to look at Heartstone or Starcraft II to find great pvp based systems that are not based around vertical gear progression.

[Ronzeru]

Again. The games that tried that, people get bored of the fastest. You guys don't seem to even be acknowledging that.

[zdub303]

Again. The games that tried that, people get bored of the fastest. You guys don't seem to even be acknowledging that.

So what you're saying then that people are only engaged when they are using overwhelming gear advantage to stomp on people who don't have it? Maybe those people shouldn't have been playing PvP in the first place.