PVP - Another system that discourages use of the armory system

[Alhanelem]

PvP doesn't discourage use of the armory system, nor does anything else in the game. I'm really sick of people saying this. I'll agree that PvP respec costs too much, but that doesn't mean you're discouraged from playing more than one job. There are no lockouts on rewards, you can get them as fast as you can earn them, and starting pvp gear is crafted, inexpensive, and available to anyone.

He said it Clear, PVP will not have any impact on pve, and other way around..

Uhm, PvP doesn't negatively impact PvE. In fact it probably benefits it from the money crafters are making selling the starting PvP gear. It does not hurt you not to participate in PvP, nor has anything been nerfed because of PvP. Mechanic changes for PvP are only in effect in PvP and not PvE.

And if you think this wave of balancing didn't sneak in some adjustments for certain PvE abilities then you need to look harder. BLM's Scathe is the prime example of this and if you can't see why then I understand why you believe what you do. It's not overly drastic changes but they are there.

You don't know why this or that ability was nerfed. Personally I would argue that almost nobody used scathe as it is and it doesn't impact PvE in any way whatsoever.

[Shiyo]

Please make resetting your skills in PVP free.

[casker]

WTF is SE thinking. 5k marks for a reset. That's like 180~ matches just to reset your points.

Stupid grind coupled with yet another nonsensical application of the armory system.

They spend so much time on making nice features and then totally fudge it with stupid decisions.

[StarMarmot]

PvP doesn't discourage use of the armory system, nor does anything else in the game. I'm really sick of people saying this. I'll agree that PvP respec costs too much, but that doesn't mean you're discouraged from playing more than one job.

Putting a heavy price on respeccing actually discourages you to swap to a different class, yes. There's simply no arguing. The sole purpose of the fee is to make you reconsider if you really want to swap and make it hard to do so. Even as a one time deal it discourages you. Swapping on a daily basis to play several classes? Definitely discourages you from doing that. In fact, it's probably not even possible with the limited amount of hours we have at our disposal.

Oh, there's resorting to the "you don't need to have any PvP actions to PvP", but I think we've covered that.

[casker]

PvP doesn't discourage use of the armory system, nor does anything else in the game. I'm really sick of people saying this.

armory system character : I have to play 200~ matches if I want to play a different job. EVERY TIME.
Non armory : log in different character

To you, this makes perfect sense and doesn't discourage the armory system. k

[StarMarmot]

EDIT: Beat to it.

Once again:

You have a level 50 BLM. You want to play an alt in the Wolves' Den. Right on! Here's what you can do:

- Use the armory system. Level a MNK on the same character you have your BLM on. Every time you want to switch classes, you need to play 180 matches to afford it.

- Create a new alt character and level your MNK there. You can now play both classes as you please, all it takes is the 30 seconds you need to relog. Needless to say, not having to spend 180 matches worth of currency simply on respeccing will actually allow you to buy some PvP gear if you pick this option.

[saber_alter]

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then don't play pvp?

your pvp stats have no effect what-so-ever on your pve, the truth is pvp is affecting pve for you because you are letting it.

you aren't forced to do respec, one battle as a different class without your precious pvp skills is not going to kill you.

its like re-speccing every time you want to switch between summoner and scholar...insanity if you keep mindlessly doing it.

[casker]

you aren't forced to do respec, one battle as a different class without your precious pvp skills is not going to kill you.

You are, if you want to be competitive. Just like if you want to be competitive in PvE, you have to switch your attribute points as a SCH/SMN.

its like re-speccing every time you want to switch between summoner and scholar...insanity if you keep mindlessly doing it.

"you aren't forced to do respec, one battle as a different class without your few points of int/mnd is not going to kill you. "

It is the same. And worse, for pvp. And pvp points are harder to get than GC seals. Stop being an apologist for horrible systems.

[saber_alter]

You are, if you want to be competitive. Just like if you want to be competitive in PvE, you have to switch your attribute points as a SCH/SMN.



"you aren't forced to do respec, one battle as a different class without your few points of int/mnd is not going to kill you. "

It is the same. And worse, for pvp. And pvp points are harder to get than GC seals. Stop being an apologist for horrible systems.

i've seen worse systems. this one is bad too, but hitting your head against it would be like doing the same to a brick wall. not the best idea.

and if your being competitive in pvp, its most likely better to stick to one class anyway.

also i see them reducing the cost in the future. nothing is permanent

[StarMarmot]

then don't play pvp?

your pvp stats have no effect what-so-ever on your pve, the truth is pvp is affecting pve for you because you are letting it.

you aren't forced to do respec, one battle as a different class without your precious pvp skills is not going to kill you.

its like re-speccing every time you want to switch between summoner and scholar...insanity if you keep mindlessly doing it.

I'm not saying it's affecting my PvE. In fact I don't think anybody is concerned about that because PvP has nothing to do with PvE, that's very clear cut.

And no, I'm not forced to pay to respec. I can do one battle (or in my case, I had a bit more than that in mind) without my precious PvP skills. I can run Garuda Extreme butt naked without my precious gear as well just as I can get to work in the morning without using my precious legs. I can just roll down the stairs, get down on the muddy concrete and crawl my way there. That's how fun it is to play a competitive game with a serious handicap.

The question is, wouldn't it be better and more pleasant for everybody if you could respec as you wished?

But I guess you think the respec cost is totally justified and great and all that because... I really don't know why you'd think so. Fill me in please.