Please nerf summoner in PvP.

[Alhanelem]

This whole thread is people just hating on things they've lost to. Unless you're a serious PvPer and playing all the time, you really don't have the experience or knowledge to make a reasonable judgement on the issue.

DPS should not be able to raise others in PvP. Period.

arcanist is a hybrid class and summoner doesn't change that very much. Again, just because *you* don't like something or think it's unfair doesn't mean it actually is.

I've seen just as many people telling me after their first time "dont like pvp, its unfair how you can sleep people." Everyone has the oppertunity to obtain the same tools and skills. The only jobs i never hear complaints of being OP on are pld and war. I guess 7 out of 9 jobs must be "OP" then.

Anyway, raising in pvp is not OP. The raised person is a sitting duck for a short time and if you're quick or if the healer is still down, you can just take them right back down again. I have been in double SMN comps and gotten rolled. SMN is just too squishy to call OP. We were literally both taken down at the same time, there was no possibility of rezzing. A SMN and SCH team comp has virtually no defensive capability whatsoever. people keep talking about CC in this thread but get near a SMN for even a second and you can shut them down. the Heavy is not OP, they need it to have any chance of staying alive.

[Yoohre_WildRiver]

first is was NERF BLM CAUSE OF SLEEP.. now that must ppl know how to counter blm.. next nerf request is SMN.

if you get SMN x2 comp. split your dps send tank to healer. a SMN that is under pressure will have a hard time delivering on good DMG. yes the battle will be long, but their healer will have more stress and you will be doing more dps. save your stuns for when SMN uses equaminity.

in pvp in general, using a comp with a repeated class is a no no, why? because of Diminishing returns. im a smn and i rather get a DRG or MNK than another smn.

killing a freshly raised player is extreamly easy. you CC the healer and the newly raised will fall in 2 secs.
and as for the smn pet.. sleep it and LoS it out of the smn. you can send commands is you are LoS.

[Someonewithclap]

You guys, um, think maybe you could give something ATLEAST a week or so before you cry wolf? Yesterday BLM were making the sky fall, today is SMN. Your making yourselves look like idiots.

Nobody even has a full set of PVP gear yet, FFS.

If PVP is that bad to you, don't participate in it.

[Alhanelem]

in pvp in general, using a comp with a repeated class is a no no, why? because of Diminishing returns. im a smn and i rather get a DRG or MNK than another smn.

I agree with most of what you're saying, but nothing smn casts is subject to diminishing returns except for the bind on tri disaster / blizzard II and the blind effect of ruin II.

[Yoohre_WildRiver]

I agree with most of what you're saying, but nothing smn casts is subject to diminishing returns except for the bind on tri disaster / blizzard II and the blind effect of ruin II.

weight CC on miasma is subject to DR also, once you used it on the target you were runinng away from more than 3 times.. they catch up and you have to wait for DR to reset.

stun on ifrit and titan are also subject to DR.

but W/E, this post will be replaced tomorrow to OMG MNK IS OP NERF PVP !.. since now ppl will know how to kill smn lol

[Mitski]

*SNIP*

All of your CC suffers from DR, but they're not shared DR (i.e. stun is separate from heavy, heavy is separate from bind, etc.). Even with 2 SMN you'd be hard pressed to put every CC on DR simultaneously.

[Yoohre_WildRiver]

you cant do an efficient CC chain with a repeated class, if you have 2 smn on your team and they have a blm and a mnk, or a smn and a mnk.. they will efficiently CC chain you better than 2 smn doing CC chain due to DR. right now the pvp community is to fresh on this game to notice( so much tunnel vision ppl think they are fighting titan lol) but as ppl get higher in rank i will assure you then when the doors open and you see 2x smn you will LOL and proceed to decimate them.

[Itachi]

instead of figuring out how to deal with certain classes, they demand immediate action to make up for their impatience and incompetence.

the entitlement generation

[Yoohre_WildRiver]

instead of figuring out how to deal with certain classes, they demand immediate action to make up for their impatience and incompetence.

the entitlement generation

truth

/10char

[PhageLock]

Summoners are easy to tank down, they have a hard time getting away even with bind. Seriously people l2p?