Couples geting the shaft on duty roulette

[Norondor]

Not being able to use duty roulette while partied with said loved one doesn't stop you from playing with them. It isn't like roulette takes you to some exotic content not otherwise available to the masses.

Fair! and since i was flippant before i'll give a proper response so i won't be misunderstood about my feelings on the matter (and i hope those of a few others).

Games are lots of things, but first and foremost, i feel like they're didactic; they teach you rules and systems and concepts really efficiently. RPGs are especially good at this, since they deal with discrete things -- numbers and values especially -- instead of fuzzy things like the timing on combos or whatever. At level cap, two things you have to learn are "you need myth tomes to keep getting stronger" and "the fastest way to get myth tomes is X" -- where x previously has been AK sacrifice runs, then WP speedruns, and now duty roulette. Knowing the fastest way to get cap, and playing efficiently, is actually much MORE important with the cap being raised in 2.1, not less!

Making it impossible to access the best possible way to reach cap while playing with friends or loved ones is actually horrible! It implicitly teaches one more concept -- that the way to play this game is to solo, to not socialize, to not play with friends outside of raid time. Even if this isn't going to lead to the death of anyone's FC, it feels kinda shitty to have to, in the space of one patch, go from doing fast runs of AK/WP with a tight-knit group to just shunning them to play with randoms because you get a huge payout at the end.

(And let me say IN ADVANCE that if you're going to call that some kind of crass materialism, you can just keep that comment to yourself unless you REALLY feel like you're cool running hour-long dungeons 15 times a week instead of 5, and effectively paying 35k gil for the privilege, since you're passing up on the roulette bonus. Does that sound good to you?)

MMOs are, at least ostensibly, social games. If you weren't playing this game with other people, would you really care about the mechanics that much? Designing content such that you're encouraged to avoid playing with your friends is absolutely baffling, and should rightly be called out as the terrible game design it is -- especially when, combined with so many other factors (tying storyline progression in 2.1 to FATEs and level 30 dungeons, preventing anyone from actually buying housing until 3-6 months from now) it's transparently only in place because the developers are lazy, cheap, incompetent, or several of the above.

[Dumai]

Sorry, but this is a bit absurd. Do you really need to do EVERYTHING with your partner? That kind of dependency is worrisome to be honest. You aren't prevented from doing the content, and most people absolutely love the roulette. This reminds me of the couples who expected to buy a FC house with just the two of them in the FC. How much more ridiculous are these threads going to get .

Honestly the concept is ingenious. It's a great way to get the classes that are needed into those other queues so those poor dps doing low lvl or story line content aren't waiting for hours on end. I would say this is less for those who are participating in the roulette, and more for the people waiting for the long queue times. Though of course we both win.

[sylin]

Ouch....yes my wife and I are very dependent on each other....we call it love...what do you call it? I have a finite amount of time on earth, I need to spend it with my woman...is that really a bad thing in your eyes? If other peoples love isn't like that Im cool with it...but yeah my wife and I don't choose to do things separate, we aren't separate we are married, if we were in fact separate...what would be the point of being married...wouldn't it be the same as unmarried but together? Its not for us at least. Not trying to call you out, just when you say marriage/love is worrisome dependency that makes me worried for you...don't miss out=)

[PetiteMalFleur]

You and your wife weren't the target audience for who duty roulette is helping. Those queuing with friends from their servers weren't either. If you and your wife don't want to optimize how you help out the community by queuing separately at times then you're free to never compromise and just do all content together all the time. That's fine, but you need to realize you weren't the people who needed help accessing this content to begin with and encouraging people to queue solo has helped tremendously.

[Worm]

Making it impossible to access the best possible way to reach cap while playing with friends or loved ones is actually horrible!

Since you threw out so many 5 dollar words, I'd love to see your math that proves Duty Roulette is faster than just doing speed runs with a group that is well geared and has synergy, try to demonstrate this without assuming 30 minute DR runs. If your time is so wildly limited you can only spare 30 minutes to 60 minutes a day (which is kind of hard to swallow given the time you spent engaging in a flamewar here) I guess I'll just say "sorry" because it's really not a lot of time to play these types of games. Of course you'll be at a disadvantage if that's the case.

Don't be a jealous hater. I can't believe some are against the game allowing duos to DR up. It'll get more people doing DR which will help us all out. Why would you close a feature off in a social mmo. Encourages solitary play, you don't get to form lasting relationships with random pugs from different servers.

Why are you so focused on Roulette? You've literally got HALF A PARTY already, if you're so focused on being "social" then just find two more people on your server and do speed runs with them. You'll earn the Myth much faster. It's sort of funny I haven't read this whole thread but it seems like the ONLY argument being made is "We should be able to dual queue for Roulette because we're not allowed to right now". Just leave it alone, you've got plenty of alternatives.

I don't know why it bothers you guys so much that you can't duo queue into Duty Roulette, but it sure isn't Myth Tome efficiency or for the joy of having a dungeon picked randomly. So it has to be either "I'm not allowed to do this, so I want to" or some other more nefarious reason.