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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteDragon View Post
    And yet they've stated that their HARD DATA that THEY HAVE BECAUSE IT'S THEIR GAME AND THEY HAVE ACCESS TO IT shows that people still have absurd amounts of gil.

    And you have no idea how many housing areas there will be. I think it's ridiculous that you're saying they're just being cheap and stuff considering how many servers this game already uses and how much money they could easily save using a basic instance system or peer to peer system like Nexon does with half of their games.
    Honestly, who do you think has the majority of the gil in most servers, honest hard working players? The same players that kept getting banned at release for having millions of gil? So then you could say they weren't honest because they were investigated and banned, ok, there are still plenty of RMT in almost every server, not to mention all the exploits and hacks like the retainer bell debacle. In legacy servers sure, people had 2 years to make lots of gil in 1.0 even if everyone's money got reduced by one 0, but some people might not remember the Atomos exploit that allowed anyone to make easy millions by NPCing Grand Company potions. So now the whole playerbase in general is getting punished for either the exploits of a group of people or for actually working hard and saving up in anticipation to a very advertised and hyped feature? That doesn't seem fair at all.

    Also peer to peer systems might be acceptable for F2P companies in their free games but you know, this is a P2P game and I think people deserve better service for their sub money, that's one of the reasons a lot of us are paying a subscription in the first place. I'm really sorry other people have a different opinion then yours and you really like this game and feel offended when someone tells you it has some flaws, but there are better ways to improve this game, what you're doing is not a good way to help neither the devs or the game, let alone the players.
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    Last edited by Roris; 12-17-2013 at 09:27 AM. Reason: typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roris View Post
    now the whole playerbase in general is getting punished for either the exploits of a group of people or for actually working hard and saving up in anticipation to a hardly advertised feature? That doesn't seem fair at all.
    They never once claimed that the prices will never change in the game's future, Yoshi only specifically said that he wants to drain money away from uber rich people who can just buy anything they want like it's nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteDragon View Post
    he wants to drain money away from uber rich people who can just buy anything they want like it's nothing.
    Yeah but he did already.

    Legacy players started 2.0 with literally 1% of our gil.

    Not our fault SE sucks at controlling RMT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PallasLloyd View Post
    Yeah but he did already.
    Again, SE has HARD DATA and you have... your imagination I guess(?) when it comes to numbers of players and how much gil they have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteDragon View Post
    Again, SE has HARD DATA and you have... your imagination I guess(?) when it comes to numbers of players and how much gil they have.
    Hard data that seems to be flawed. I say this because according to SE, our FC should have about 4 million lying around which I'm not aware of? I think not...
    Also, a player's individual amount of money does not equal the FC's amount of money. Or do you honestly expect people to tell their FC members to fork over all of their hard earned gil?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubester View Post
    Hard data that seems to be flawed. I say this because according to SE, our FC should have about 4 million lying around which I'm not aware of? I think not...
    I'm not sure where I said that SE said that the average guild has enough for a house right now. Show me please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteDragon View Post
    I'm not sure where I said that SE said that the average guild has enough for a house right now. Show me please.
    I'm not sure where I said that you said that. SE on the other hand?
    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida
    We also examined all of the free companies across all Worlds, how many members there were, and how much gil each member possessed.
    So yes, flawed data according to what SE said for two reasons:
    1. Housing should be available right off the bat, not in 3 months. If it were, they should've just announced prices now and released the housing in 3 months.
    2. They're taking into account how much money individual members have. Which is, as I stated before, not indicative of the FC's actual available funds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteDragon View Post
    Again, SE has HARD DATA [....]
    Quite simply, Legacy worlds have more gil because they have players that have been playing the game for years longer than everyone else. It's not illegitimate or requiring special consideration. Non-legacy worlds have different amounts of gil because some have more population going through gil-generating game content, and some were added weeks after launch.

    If SE noticed more FCs could afford housing at first on some worlds, they should have put in more housing areas for those worlds. The graduated pricing seems to indicate that SE is limiting housing areas to the same number for each world, because they are doing this despite the hardship uneven pricing causes most of their customers.

    IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteDragon View Post
    Again, SE has HARD DATA and you have... your imagination I guess(?) when it comes to numbers of players and how much gil they have.
    You're still waiving your hard "data" around and defend UNDEFENDABLE! And where are the data saying how many of those "rich" players / FCs are actually planning to SPEND their money on the FC housing? There is the major flaw in your argument - nobody knows that, not even SE with their hard data - so please stop whiteknighting them. If you're happy - good for you - enjoy the new content and let others to express their deep dissapointment with the horribly designed housing prices.
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    Last edited by HEC; 12-17-2013 at 11:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PallasLloyd View Post
    Legacy players started 2.0 with literally 1% of our gil.
    Um, no we didn't.
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    Last edited by KraggyKor; 12-17-2013 at 07:40 PM.