GOOD JOB YOSHI P!

[Matsume]

I never mentioned raiding.

It was your choice to make money crafting instead of playing the market (which, generally, is far easier and more fruitful).

And that's exactly what I'm saying: you committed to a goal and achieved it. Congrsts! I disagree that a 'challenge' (in the sense of difficulty + obstacles impeding your path) was involved though.

Now you are making assumptions. I never said I didn't play the market. Matter of fact, I made my first few millions gathering during Early Access. I was the top geared gatherer on my server for three weeks before I even began crafting. I used to buy undercut crawler cocoons for 500 gil x 99 then set em up in stacks of 10 at 1K and sell out instantly - even when I had stacks of coocoons on me. I am no stranger to playing the markets, kid.

Again, you keep focusing on crafting rather than earning gil as a whole. As I told you, my methods of earning gil were myriad. I gathered, I crafted, I farmed, I sold titan merc runs, I even played the market. But you insist on calling this a commitment rather than a challenge? Well, in my subjective opinion, commitments can be challenging.

[BoomerOU]

Now you are making assumptions. I never said I didn't play the market. Matter of fact, I made my first few millions gathering during Early Access. I was the top geared gatherer on my server for three weeks before I even began crafting. I used to buy undercut crawler cocoons for 500 gil x 99 then set em up in stacks of 10 at 1K and sell out instantly - even when I had stacks of coocoons on me. I am no stranger to playing the markets, kid.

Again, you keep focusing on crafting rather than earning gil as a whole. As I told you, my methods of earning gil were myriad. I gathered, I crafted, I farmed, I sold titan merc runs, I even played the market. But you insist on calling this a commitment rather than a challenge? Well, in my subjective opinion, commitments can be challenging.

It truly is an argument in semantics, and I respect your point of view. I just found the rate at which a person could make money when applying themselves to be astoundingly high.

[Matsume]

It truly is an argument in semantics, and I respect your point of view. I just found the rate at which a person could make money when applying themselves to be astoundingly high.

It's a stupid argument to begin with because it's entirely subjective in nature, what you might find challenging an idiot savant might have a gift for. That being said the rate at which money can be earned deffinately depends on the server you are on. Every server is different and the means to make money differ accordingly. Yes, there are much more lucrative ways to earn gil than crafting, but that's above the point.

The point is, gil was never and still is not hard to come by. Yes, it takes dedication and commitment to earn large sums of it, and this may or may not be challenging to some. However, the only argument of importance is the price of free company housing right? I said it before and Ill say it again (not directed at you persay).


The Housing system is set up such that if left unsold a houses price will deflate over time. If you think the price of housing is too expensive then don't buy one. If what you say is true (that prices are too high for anyone to afford) then no one on your server will buy a house and the prices will continuously drop until the prices are within reasonable range. This is supply and demand, nothing new. The real problem is that people come on these forums and complain about something that is self correcting by nature. NAY, they say, WE WANT IT NOW! Well, I am inclined to think that the only reason half these scrubs are demanding a decrease in prices is because they don't believe half of what they are saying about prices being too high, but rather are jealous at the fact that there may be someone on their server with enough gil to bu the biggest house, and the someone is not them. In the end, it's pure jealousy.

You and I both know I'm right. The only reason anyone has to complain about this is either 1) they are impatient and they want their house NOW or 2) they are jealous and afraid that someone is going to buy their precious house before they do.

[Faelandaea]

Now you are making assumptions. I never said I didn't play the market. Matter of fact, I made my first few millions gathering during Early Access. I was the top geared gatherer on my server for three weeks before I even began crafting. I used to buy undercut crawler cocoons for 500 gil x 99 then set em up in stacks of 10 at 1K and sell out instantly - even when I had stacks of coocoons on me. I am no stranger to playing the markets, kid.

Again, you keep focusing on crafting rather than earning gil as a whole. As I told you, my methods of earning gil were myriad. I gathered, I crafted, I farmed, I sold titan merc runs, I even played the market. But you insist on calling this a commitment rather than a challenge? Well, in my subjective opinion, commitments can be challenging.

Take it from someone who works retail in real life . . . the only challenge to any market other than trending, and even that is not a challenge, is dealing with a difficult customer . . . oh wait . . . we don't have to do that in this game

Matsume, I did agree with some points you have made through this thread, but I kind of have to stand with others that sitting there playing with numbers is not exactly a challenge. Getting a team of 24 to work together in Crystal Tower . . . THAT is going to be a challenge. Anyone who is even vaguely familiar with retail know far better than to think that doing the same thing in an MMO is anything but being casual and not really participating in content.

Don't get me wrong. I am REALLY glad you have fun doing what you do. that is the awesome bit about an MMO - DIVERSITY - but your attitude of this whole thing and the high and mighty "I am such a badass because I pretend I work Wal Street" is just losing you credibility with your replies, as it eventually lost mine as i continued reading this thread. I have high respect for those who become good at something in any MMO, but that respect is instantly lost when you say things like "I was the top geared such and such for three weeks" when we all know full well that there is NO way of telling who had what gear before or after who. Unless there is some OFFICIALLY published article or reward saying as such, all it does is make you look like you are really into yourself. Confidence is one thing, but yours is not confidence - it's just looking like a Troll now.

Fortunately the solution is pretty easy. Even the forum has an "ignore" function, and your posts are easily hidden with this feature.

[Matsume]

. . . the only challenge to any market other than trending, and even that is not a challenge, is dealing with a difficult customer . . . oh wait . . . we don't have to do that in this game

Matsume, I did agree with some points you have made through this thread, but I kind of have to stand with others that sitting there playing with numbers is not exactly a challenge. Getting a team of 24 to work together in Crystal Tower . . . THAT is going to be a challenge. Anyone who is even vaguely familiar with retail know far better than to think that doing the same thing in an MMO is anything but being casual and not really participating in content.

Hmm..

You work in retail, and you don't find marketing to be challenging. Why should you? You do work in retail after all... Biased opinion? As for dealing with difficult customers, aren't ALL the players inthis game DIFFICULT CUSTOMERS? And I have to deal with this bullshit all day.

Again, dude, I'm over the semantic battle over the challenge of earning gil, or getting 24 ppl together for crystal tower. I honestly don't care. I think you made a slight jab at calling me casual and 'not participating in content'? I don't even need any gear from CT for your info. I have all i90 allagan/AF+1 BiS on my whm except for the head, earrings, and bracelets (which i have enough myth tomes to buy). I have been one shotting turns 1-4 for two months. So believe me, I've participated in my fair share of content. Maybe even, a wider selection of content than you?

Oh, I never claimed to be high and mighyt, nor do i pretend to be a badass that works at wall street. I don't need your respect either, you obviously don't believe what I have to say despite not having a reason to call me a liar. You say my credibility has been lost because I ventured to speculate that I was the best geared gatherer on my server for a few weeks. Well, it was my honest opinion based on me examining every other gatherer I came across while farming unspoiled resource nodes for hours on end. Believe me, I got a good look at the majority of the early gatherers and I rarely saw one with as much materia in their gear as I had. But look at you, so quick to discredit me and call me a liar because I shared an honest opinion.

So you think I'm a troll because my opinion isn't "official". Okay, well to me, someone looking for an "official source" to justify an opinionated claim over a video game is just as much of a troll as trying to defend the semantic challenge of earning gil on that same game. Now, you can think that I'm "into myself" but since when has using one self as an example of what others can accomplish considered trolling?

Look man, all I'm saying is: I've earned XX amount of gil since Early Access, and you could have to. If I have enough to buy a house, then you could have to. Everything else is meaningless. If you don't like the price of the house don't pay for it. If everyone feels like you, the prices will drop. That's all.

[Nica]

Look man, all I'm saying is: I've earned XX amount of gil since Early Access, and you could have to. If I have enough to buy a house, then you could have to.

That's about as meaningful as "Bill Gates have made $50 billion, so you could have too."

While theoretically correct, trying to imply that everyone could've done so, especially at the same time, could not be more wrong. Everyone on the server could not have made as much money as the top earners, that would require people making more money than exists in the entire system.

It's kinda like the GOP from awhile back saying that if only people would get off their lazy asses, they can all join the 1%, which for anyone who's not mathematically challenged, knows is impossible.

[Matsume]

That's about as meaningful as "Bill Gates have made $50 billion, so you could have too."

While theoretically correct, trying to imply that everyone could've done so, especially at the same time, could not be more wrong. Everyone on the server could not have made as much money as the top earners, that would require people making more money than exists in the entire system.

It's kinda like the GOP from awhile back saying that if only people would get off their lazy asses, they can all join the 1%, which for anyone who's not mathematically challenged, knows is impossible.

I am far from the top earner on my server. Let me tell you about my titan merc ls composed of new players on a legacy server, the leader earned over 20 mil gil just from titan sales in less than a month, and yes, I am telling you - you could have done it too.


Now, to make a more appropriate example: I am not bill gates, which would be considered a top earner on my server right? The richest guy i know has 26 stacks of tier IV CRACKED materia. Think about that. 2600 x 250K = 650,000,000 asset value. I also knew someone in 1.0 who had capped gil and claims to have earned it all back since 2.0 gil devaluation. I know people that bought loads of cracked tier IV materia in 1.0 to poor their gil into before the devaluation that made out like bandits due to the difficulty in obtaining tier IV materia in 2.0 as compared to 1.0

Lets get things straight. These are the Bill Gates' of Eorzea. My wealth pales in comparison to theirs. There is no way you or I could dream to acquire as much as they have. However, I am telling you, that anyone and everyone could have figured out how to make gil since EA without having to spend an absurd amount of time playing. I watched my ls do it, then I watched other titan merc groups form together until the price dropped from 1mil per kil (at first) all the way down to 150K (last night).

You are right about one thing though, it would have been theoretically impossible for everyone to make as much money as the top earners. However, I never said I was a top earner, now did I? you appear to have misinterpreted what I was saying. Also, for your information, I made money by selling food to those top earners whom had so much gil to throw around that they didn't mind buying my overpriced goods because it saved them time.

[Aenarion]

Wow, talk about missing the point.

the leader earned over 20 mil gil just from titan sales in less than a month, and yes, I am telling you - you could have done it too.

You're looking at it solely at the micro-level, which does not translate to the macro level. Think about it for a second, who were buying your titan runs? they're not NPCs. If everyone was selling titan runs - who is going to be your customer?

You'd be a merchant trying to sell sand to other sand merchants in the middle of a desert.

Now, to make a more appropriate example: I am not bill gates, which would be considered a top earner on my server right? The richest guy i know has 26 stacks of tier IV CRACKED materia. Think about that. 2600 x 250K = 650,000,000 asset value.

Sorry, it's one thing if there are enough demand to support that valuation, while that may be the maximum theoretical worth of his asset, in practice you'd be hard pressed to liquidate those assets at that value.

There is no way you or I could dream to acquire as much as they have.

Because you totally know how much money everyone else have

However, I am telling you, that anyone and everyone could have figured out how to make gil since EA without having to spend an absurd amount of time playing. I watched my ls do it, then I watched other titan merc groups form together until the price dropped from 1mil per kil (at first) all the way down to 150K (last night).

You are right about one thing though, it would have been theoretically impossible for everyone to make as much money as the top earners. However, I never said I was a top earner, now did I? you appear to have misinterpreted what I was saying.

What you don't seem to get is that saying everyone could've had the chance to make money doesn't mean anything here - because in reality it would not be possible for everyone, or even anything approaching a majority to do so, simply because the primary method of wealth accumulation in this game is through gil transfers, not generation.

The problem arises when you introduce a content that's been hyped and touted as a key feature for the entire player base, yet targets the access to said content directly at the extreme minority. Yes, the price will decay - but it will take up to 90 days, and guess what, those who are mega rich will buy it - resetting the timer for everyone else. Really, by the time the masses can realistically access this content, chances are the next patch(or beyond) will already be out.

THIS is the problem, imagine if SE added Coil turn 6-10, but put a gil requirement on it that will prevent the vast majority of the player base from accessing it for 3 months. Because this is what they've effectively done here.

And to call this "supply and demand" is a slap to the face to games like Eve that actually have real supply and demand. You cannot label it as such when the supply and pricing is directly controlled by SE.

[Aenarion]

No you are missing the point

Truly, a convincing argument with flawless logic I think your white knight just leveled up again!

[Bizniztyme]

Take it from someone who works retail in real life . . . the only challenge to any market other than trending, and even that is not a challenge, is dealing with a difficult customer . . . oh wait . . . we don't have to do that in this game

What? Tell that to all the failed businesses, broke stock brokers, hedge funds, etc etc....I hope you're kidding?